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Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

It would sound less cooler but they should have made the Horus Heresy the Fulgrim Heresy..

Pretty sure Fulgrim actually did more against Primarchs then Horus. The killing of Sanguinius doesn't count since he pretty much was tired when it happened.

just seems like it would make more sense.

Fulgrim was apparently known among the Primarchs for his swordsmanship, as well as his strategic skill. But he was neither the best fighter among the Primarchs not the greatest tactician. He was apparently just really good at both (even for a Primarch).

As well, unlike Horus, Fulgrim was a social butterfly but only to people he liked. The individuals whom he didn't like, he tended to openly snub. Thus a Heresy under his rule could never be as effective because the traitor Primarchs would not fight under him.

 Imperial_Arson wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

It would sound less cooler but they should have made the Horus Heresy the Fulgrim Heresy..

Pretty sure Fulgrim actually did more against Primarchs then Horus. The killing of Sanguinius doesn't count since he pretty much was tired when it happened.

just seems like it would make more sense.

No, Erebus, Logar, and the Word Bearers Legion was the main force behind the Horus Heresy, and probably directly had a hand in arranging Horus' fall to chaos.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Fulgrim was apparently known among the Primarchs for his swordsmanship, as well as his strategic skill. But he was neither the best fighter among the Primarchs not the greatest tactician. He was apparently just really good at both (even for a Primarch).

As well, unlike Horus, Fulgrim was a social butterfly but only to people he liked. The individuals whom he didn't like, he tended to openly snub. Thus a Heresy under his rule could never be as effective because the traitor Primarchs would not fight under him.

Do you know who he didn't like?

I know he found Perturabo to be particularly boring and uncivilized. Iirc he doesn't like Angron or Mortarion either.

The theme that I pickout is that Fulgrim does not approve of "blunt-object" warfare. All three of the legions mentioned specialize in gritty wars of attrition. The resentment makes sense in a way, then, considering that Fulgrim had the second smallest legion next to Magnus. He was forced to be especially careful with his strategies because he didn't have the numbers for prolonged engagements that some of his other brothers' legions had.

Edit- There's a bit of irony there, because after his fall Fulgrim becomes one of the most irresponsible of the Primarchs, literally tossing his men into the meatgrinder with zero thought whatsoever at times. Out of all the traitor legions, very few of them (TKSons comes to mind) are in as poor shape as the Emperor's Children by M.41.

That's...disappointing.

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
That's...disappointing.

My exact reaction to the black legion supplement!

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
That's...disappointing.

Why?

In scars it's stated by Russ that khan is the greatest swordsman he's ever seen but I think these threads will always descend into "my" primarch is better then yours. Incidentally I've always been surprised thee isn't many horus fans out there

Ceann Fine wrote:
In scars it's stated by Russ that khan is the greatest swordsman he's ever seen but I think these threads will always descend into "my" primarch is better then yours. Incidentally I've always been surprised thee isn't many horus fans out there

'Cause he never really does anything exceptionally impressive. Yeah, he smacked around the Emperor, but he was holding back and previously Horus was wounded by human space elves. Meanwhile, Vulkan's effectively invincible and Magnus is the second strongest psyker in the galaxy. I'd even put the likes of Angron, Russ, Sanguinius, and Fulgrim over Horus.

Fulgrim as a duelist is unmatched, IIRC.

But, rounding out the top 5 fighters, you left out Lion El'Jonson. It's like people totally forgot he's a primarch because he wasn't involved with the Horus Heresy much and was terrifically aloof besides, and therefore the background to him is relegated mostly to Dark Angels only stuff anyway.

But he totally beat the stuffing out of Leman Russ that one time. If you win a bare-knuckle wrestling match with the most vikingly viking to every viking in the grim dark future, you deserve a nod.

Iirc he only knocked Russ out after Russ started laughing about how stupid the fight was

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

That's a load of utter crap.

XXXX

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

That's a load of utter crap.

XXXX

Yeah, you took that load to the face too.

funny thing is it's true.

It's been stated many times in official sources that Horus was the best amongst Primarchs, so I'm gonna believe those over some silly opinions. And then we have Chaos Horus...

Loyalist Fulgrim was probably one of the best Primarchs in general, but ever since his devotion to Slaanesh he traded most of his tactical genius to raw power, what with the Daemonhood and all. Not sure how did that round up in the end, but he did defeat Rowboat Girlyman as a Daemon Primarch, so probably not bad.

 kinratha wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

That's a load of utter crap.

XXXX

Yeah, you took that load to the face too.

funny thing is it's true.

And show me some sources or examples that dispute the dpfsct that another 2 other primaries claim he is the most powerful. I used a one line argument to counter his as we had previously had a debate about this very same topic in another thread.
Responding to my comment with pointless and totally unsupported one line sentences is not a valid argument.

XXXX

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

That's a load of utter crap.

XXXX

Except it's true. Horus wasn't remarkable during the Great Crusade- his use came at being a politician. Meanwhile, most of the top tier Primarchs would smack him around with relative ease, what with Vulkan being invincible (and IIRC, the strongest), Magnus able to blow him to pieces with psyker prowess being the second strongest psyker in the galaxy, and Fulgrim as well, considering IIRC he tanked a Titan P-Cannon.

It's true.

Horus was never the strongest fighter.

He was never the best strategist.

His legion didn't have the best conqueror record.

Horus was above-average at all three, but master of none.

What quality he did possess, above all others, was that he was a people person. Every Primarch, bar none, liked him. He was feared by on one, he intimidated no one, everyone loved him all of the time.

That's why he was made Warmaster.

 Wyzilla wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

That's a load of utter crap.

XXXX

Except it's true. Horus wasn't remarkable during the Great Crusade- his use came at being a politician. Meanwhile, most of the top tier Primarchs would smack him around with relative ease, what with Vulkan being invincible (and IIRC, the strongest), Magnus able to blow him to pieces with psyker prowess being the second strongest psyker in the galaxy, and Fulgrim as well, considering IIRC he tanked a Titan P-Cannon.

The fact that Fulgrim survived a P-cannon shot is not a credible argument as to why he would defeat Horus. Vulcan being perpetual does not make him the strongest. Firstly there are weapons that can kill perpetuals, secondly Horus' fighting style would see him a mass of severed tendons and ruined muscle. Yes he would never die but he would be incapacitated. As for Magnus destroying him, Horus has some of the most powerful psychic wards on his armour. If we are talking per corruption Horus, yeah Magnus might edge it. Corrupted Horus? Never. Not on any level.

XXXX


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 BlaxicanX wrote:
It's true.

Horus was never the strongest fighter.

He was never the best strategist.

His legion didn't have the best conqueror method.

Horus was above-average at all three, but master of none.

What quality he did possess, above all others, was that he was a people person. Every Primarch, bar none, liked him. He was feared by on one, he intimidated no one, everyone loved him all of the time.

That's why he was made Warmaster.

I'm am talking about mid Heresy Horus (before he was corrupted), Dorn feared him above any other and said he beloved he could defeat Angron in combat but not Horus. Corax also states that Horus was the best in single combat, one of the two who could best Angron followed by Sanguinius. Your argument lacking any citations or fluff backing it up has no grounds here...


XXXX

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

That's a load of utter crap.

XXXX

Except it's true. Horus wasn't remarkable during the Great Crusade- his use came at being a politician. Meanwhile, most of the top tier Primarchs would smack him around with relative ease, what with Vulkan being invincible (and IIRC, the strongest), Magnus able to blow him to pieces with psyker prowess being the second strongest psyker in the galaxy, and Fulgrim as well, considering IIRC he tanked a Titan P-Cannon.

The fact that Fulgrim survived a P-cannon shot is not a credible argument as to why he would defeat Horus. Vulcan being perpetual does not make him the strongest. Firstly there are weapons that can kill perpetuals, secondly Horus' fighting style would see him a mass of severed tendons and ruined muscle. Yes he would never die but he would be incapacitated. As for Magnus destroying him, Horus has some of the most powerful psychic wards on his armour. If we are talking per corruption Horus, yeah Magnus might edge it. Corrupted Horus? Never. Not on any level.

XXXX


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 BlaxicanX wrote:
It's true.

Horus was never the strongest fighter.

He was never the best strategist.

His legion didn't have the best conqueror method.

Horus was above-average at all three, but master of none.

What quality he did possess, above all others, was that he was a people person. Every Primarch, bar none, liked him. He was feared by on one, he intimidated no one, everyone loved him all of the time.

That's why he was made Warmaster.

I'm am talking about mid Heresy Horus (before he was corrupted), Dorn feared him above any other and said he beloved he could defeat Angron in combat but not Horus. Corax also states that Horus was the best in single combat, one of the two who could best Angron followed by Sanguinius. Your argument lacking any citations or fluff backing it up has no grounds here...


XXXX

You mean like how Horus got smacked around and was threatened by the Interex?

 Wyzilla wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

That's a load of utter crap.

XXXX

Except it's true. Horus wasn't remarkable during the Great Crusade- his use came at being a politician. Meanwhile, most of the top tier Primarchs would smack him around with relative ease, what with Vulkan being invincible (and IIRC, the strongest), Magnus able to blow him to pieces with psyker prowess being the second strongest psyker in the galaxy, and Fulgrim as well, considering IIRC he tanked a Titan P-Cannon.

The fact that Fulgrim survived a P-cannon shot is not a credible argument as to why he would defeat Horus. Vulcan being perpetual does not make him the strongest. Firstly there are weapons that can kill perpetuals, secondly Horus' fighting style would see him a mass of severed tendons and ruined muscle. Yes he would never die but he would be incapacitated. As for Magnus destroying him, Horus has some of the most powerful psychic wards on his armour. If we are talking per corruption Horus, yeah Magnus might edge it. Corrupted Horus? Never. Not on any level.

XXXX


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 BlaxicanX wrote:
It's true.

Horus was never the strongest fighter.

He was never the best strategist.

His legion didn't have the best conqueror method.

Horus was above-average at all three, but master of none.

What quality he did possess, above all others, was that he was a people person. Every Primarch, bar none, liked him. He was feared by on one, he intimidated no one, everyone loved him all of the time.

That's why he was made Warmaster.

I'm am talking about mid Heresy Horus (before he was corrupted), Dorn feared him above any other and said he beloved he could defeat Angron in combat but not Horus. Corax also states that Horus was the best in single combat, one of the two who could best Angron followed by Sanguinius. Your argument lacking any citations or fluff backing it up has no grounds here...


XXXX

You mean like how Horus got smacked around and was threatened by the Interex?

What is your point? He was threatened by them. I was once threatened by a toddler with a fork. Doesn't make me weak. It certainly doesn't demonstrate in any way that Horus was weaker in single combat.

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

That's a load of utter crap.

XXXX

Except it's true. Horus wasn't remarkable during the Great Crusade- his use came at being a politician. Meanwhile, most of the top tier Primarchs would smack him around with relative ease, what with Vulkan being invincible (and IIRC, the strongest), Magnus able to blow him to pieces with psyker prowess being the second strongest psyker in the galaxy, and Fulgrim as well, considering IIRC he tanked a Titan P-Cannon.

The fact that Fulgrim survived a P-cannon shot is not a credible argument as to why he would defeat Horus. Vulcan being perpetual does not make him the strongest. Firstly there are weapons that can kill perpetuals, secondly Horus' fighting style would see him a mass of severed tendons and ruined muscle. Yes he would never die but he would be incapacitated. As for Magnus destroying him, Horus has some of the most powerful psychic wards on his armour. If we are talking per corruption Horus, yeah Magnus might edge it. Corrupted Horus? Never. Not on any level.

XXXX


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 BlaxicanX wrote:
It's true.

Horus was never the strongest fighter.

He was never the best strategist.

His legion didn't have the best conqueror method.

Horus was above-average at all three, but master of none.

What quality he did possess, above all others, was that he was a people person. Every Primarch, bar none, liked him. He was feared by on one, he intimidated no one, everyone loved him all of the time.

That's why he was made Warmaster.

I'm am talking about mid Heresy Horus (before he was corrupted), Dorn feared him above any other and said he beloved he could defeat Angron in combat but not Horus. Corax also states that Horus was the best in single combat, one of the two who could best Angron followed by Sanguinius. Your argument lacking any citations or fluff backing it up has no grounds here...


XXXX

You mean like how Horus got smacked around and was threatened by the Interex?

What is your point? He was threatened by them. I was once threatened by a toddler with a fork. Doesn't make me weak. It certainly doesn't demonstrate in any way that Horus was weaker in single combat.

It just shows that you as a person has trouble judging the difference between Real and Non-Real Threats. Horus also let a Plague Zombie poke him with a sword.

 kinratha wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

GoingtoHell wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Imperial_Arson wrote:
Along with Sanguinius, Horus, Angron, and Magnus.

I would actually think Fulgrim would be there equally if not more with Horus and Angron, since Fulgrim is on the road to perfection.. He seems like he would be the master of martial arts(not just kung fu, but sword technique, etc)..

Horus shouldn't be in the top five. He was only powerful or impressive after the buff by the Chaos Gods, but even then Vulkan or Magnus would probably smack him down, and hard.

That's a load of utter crap.

XXXX

Except it's true. Horus wasn't remarkable during the Great Crusade- his use came at being a politician. Meanwhile, most of the top tier Primarchs would smack him around with relative ease, what with Vulkan being invincible (and IIRC, the strongest), Magnus able to blow him to pieces with psyker prowess being the second strongest psyker in the galaxy, and Fulgrim as well, considering IIRC he tanked a Titan P-Cannon.

The fact that Fulgrim survived a P-cannon shot is not a credible argument as to why he would defeat Horus. Vulcan being perpetual does not make him the strongest. Firstly there are weapons that can kill perpetuals, secondly Horus' fighting style would see him a mass of severed tendons and ruined muscle. Yes he would never die but he would be incapacitated. As for Magnus destroying him, Horus has some of the most powerful psychic wards on his armour. If we are talking per corruption Horus, yeah Magnus might edge it. Corrupted Horus? Never. Not on any level.

XXXX


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 BlaxicanX wrote:
It's true.

Horus was never the strongest fighter.

He was never the best strategist.

His legion didn't have the best conqueror method.

Horus was above-average at all three, but master of none.

What quality he did possess, above all others, was that he was a people person. Every Primarch, bar none, liked him. He was feared by on one, he intimidated no one, everyone loved him all of the time.

That's why he was made Warmaster.

I'm am talking about mid Heresy Horus (before he was corrupted), Dorn feared him above any other and said he beloved he could defeat Angron in combat but not Horus. Corax also states that Horus was the best in single combat, one of the two who could best Angron followed by Sanguinius. Your argument lacking any citations or fluff backing it up has no grounds here...


XXXX

You mean like how Horus got smacked around and was threatened by the Interex?

What is your point? He was threatened by them. I was once threatened by a toddler with a fork. Doesn't make me weak. It certainly doesn't demonstrate in any way that Horus was weaker in single combat.

It just shows that you as a person has trouble judging the difference between Real and Non-Real Threats. Horus also let a Plague Zombie poke him with a sword.

No you're right at the time that toddler utterly terrified me with that fork...I assume you are talking about Temba? If so you really should read sources first before you spew inane facts (incorrectly). Yes Horus was wounded but not by Temba, by the sword. It actually states in the book that Horus was practically fighting the sword and that it was moving too fast to follow. Evident by his appearance and the fact that he wielded a blade as powerful as Kinebrach Anathema, a weapon that has the power to lay low a primarch we can infer that Temba was in very high standing with Nurgle and therefore imbued with great strength and speed. Horus was also fighting in a rage and in a style unbefitting of his usual combat tactics which would certainly have impacted his performance. He in the end slaughtered Temba and while he was focused on killing him was stabbed in the shoulder. Another thing that you forgot to mention and something that is far more relevan than the event you raised was that jus before he fought Temba, he literally cleaved his way through hundreds of plague bearers.

XXXX

No you're right at the time that toddler utterly terrified me with that fork...I assume you are talking about Temba? If so you really should read sources first before you spew inane facts (incorrectly). Yes Horus was wounded but not by Temba, by the sword. It actually states in the book that Horus was practically fighting the sword and that it was moving too fast to follow. Evident by his appearance and the fact that he wielded a blade as powerful as Kinebrach Anathema, a weapon that has the power to lay low a primarch we can infer that Temba was in very high standing with Nurgle and therefore imbued with great strength and speed. Horus was also fighting in a rage and in a style unbefitting of his usual combat tactics which would certainly have impacted his performance. He in the end slaughtered Temba and while he was focused on killing him was stabbed in the shoulder. Another thing that you forgot to mention and something that is far more relevan than the event you raised was that jus before he fought Temba, he literally cleaved his way through hundreds of plague bearers.

XXXX

Either way, he lost his cool and was poked by a sword. And If i remember from the book, All the Plague zombies were from the imperial guard stationed there, so probably no plague bearers.

I also doubt that Temba was important to Nurgle, just a pawn and bait for the trap.

To be fair, I doubt Night Haunter actually liked him.

(Though I may have missed something, I have not read every HH book yet.)

 kinratha wrote:


It just shows that you as a person has trouble judging the difference between Real and Non-Real Threats. Horus also let a Plague Zombie poke him with a sword.

No you're right at the time that toddler utterly terrified me with that fork...I assume you are talking about Temba? If so you really should read sources first before you spew inane facts (incorrectly). Yes Horus was wounded but not by Temba, by the sword. It actually states in the book that Horus was practically fighting the sword and that it was moving too fast to follow. Evident by his appearance and the fact that he wielded a blade as powerful as Kinebrach Anathema, a weapon that has the power to lay low a primarch we can infer that Temba was in very high standing with Nurgle and therefore imbued with great strength and speed. Horus was also fighting in a rage and in a style unbefitting of his usual combat tactics which would certainly have impacted his performance. He in the end slaughtered Temba and while he was focused on killing him was stabbed in the shoulder. Another thing that you forgot to mention and something that is far more relevan than the event you raised was that jus before he fought Temba, he literally cleaved his way through hundreds of plague bearers.

XXXX

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It's true.

Horus was never the strongest fighter.

He was never the best strategist.

His legion didn't have the best conqueror record.

Horus was above-average at all three, but master of none.

What quality he did possess, above all others, was that he was a people person. Every Primarch, bar none, liked him. He was feared by on one, he intimidated no one, everyone loved him all of the time.

That's why he was made Warmaster.

Not entirely true, but the gist is correct.

Angron certainly didn't like Horus, for example.

Also, his Legion did have the highest amount of victories.

Anyway, Lorgar > Horus, Magnus > Lorgar, therefore Magnus >> Horus

Fact!

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
It's true.

Horus was never the strongest fighter.

He was never the best strategist.

His legion didn't have the best conqueror record.

Horus was above-average at all three, but master of none.

What quality he did possess, above all others, was that he was a people person. Every Primarch, bar none, liked him. He was feared by on one, he intimidated no one, everyone loved him all of the time.

That's why he was made Warmaster.

Not entirely true, but the gist is correct.

Angron certainly didn't like Horus, for example.

Also, his Legion did have the highest amount of victories.

Anyway, Lorgar > Horus, Magnus > Lorgar, therefore Magnus >> Lorgar.

Fact!

Do you mean 'Magnus >> Horus'?