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So im just brainstorming at the moment but with all the new materials i cant be sure if i miss anything so her is what i have

to gain 1st turn

Bjon - re roll for going 1st
Baron - +1 to dice roll
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to steal

Vect 4+ steal
stormlord 4+ steal
Coteaz - re roll
MIRRORCODEX +1 to steal

so thats my list can anybody think or anything i have missed?

Trick dice that always hits 6 is the best way to win

I'm joking tho haha or am I?

Mark kelly wrote:

MIRRORCODEX +1 to steal

I'm not following this one.

I think sicarius helps in some way, not sure.

Coteaz in an army that involves DE with vect

 kronk wrote:

Mark kelly wrote:

MIRRORCODEX +1 to steal

I'm not following this one.

An over expensive and not quite reliable signature system (relic in marine terms) for the farsight enclaves, that among other things gives you 1+ to steal initiative rolls.

Honestly, with the exception of the ECPA and talisman who reduces randomness of spesific things, it seems all the FE signatue systems are wonky as feth and got a chance to outright not work, bite you in the ass, require waaaay too much paperwork, or a combination of the above.

 kronk wrote:

Mark kelly wrote:

MIRRORCODEX +1 to steal

I'm not following this one.

I believe he is referring to Codex Inquisition since Coteaz appears in both. With it being all CAPS it was a joke to them pretty much being the same codex as far as inquisitors summed up to a copy and paste job. That is just my opinion.

I think the best option, if not the fluffiest or cheapest, is to bring Coteaz as an Inquisitorial ally, then ally DE with Vect. 4+ re-rollable's not too shabby.

Well I think you would go with DE. Baron, Vect and ally Coteaz.

+1 to go first, and then if you miss that a 4+ reroll.

Or Bjorn for the reroll to go first, IG stormlord allied if you still don't go first to make seize a 4+. and inquisitor coteaz to reroll the Seize.

But that's a pretty crazy army there. Bjorn and Stormlord and coteaz.

 conker249 wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Mark kelly wrote:

MIRRORCODEX +1 to steal

I'm not following this one.

I believe he is referring to Codex Inquisition since Coteaz appears in both. With it being all CAPS it was a joke to them pretty much being the same codex as far as inquisitors summed up to a copy and paste job. That is just my opinion.

The mirrocodex or "Da’thle’vral" is farsight's reverse engineered codex astrites (a special issue in farsight enclaves). It gives +1 on steal, and alaws you to (on a 6) get preferred enemy against everyone. You can also get preferred enemy SM on a 4 or preferred enemy SM+IG on a 5.

Edit:A 6" bubble abound the bearer.

DE Primary Detachment
Vect
Baron

Farsight Enclaves Allied Detachment
Someone with Mirrorcodex

Inquisitorial detachment (assuming they are not Come the Apocalypse with DE, I'm not sure)
Coteaz


Play against someone with a Super Heavy.

2+ to seize with a re-roll.

I read the OP as Mirror codex. like mirror image, with it being right after coteaz, that was my thoughts thanks for the Info

I second Thud that pretty much is the best possible outcome.

basically a rerollable 2+. Truly a never more insane game of just as planned has been played on table top.