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2014/01/12 05:43:31
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Good evening all,
I am looking for some clarification, the new Tyranid 'Shadow in the Warp' states that Psyker's, Psychic pilot's and Brotherhood of Psyker's suffer a -3 to their leadership while they are within 12" of a Tyranid creature with this special rule. Is there another section in the Codex outside of page 38 or another bullet that implies this only affects their leadership value in regards to casting a power? This current text in the book states that the following units above will lose 3 leadership for being within range of Shadows (Current text states a flat reduction to ld, not directly related to casting powers). This seems to good to be true for me.
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2014/01/12 11:27:37
Subject: Re:Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Tough Tyrant Guard
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Nothing I have seen, with the absence of SiTW specifying the change is only for a specific purpose - it is a blanket -3 LD.
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It's my codex and I'll cry If I want to.
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2014/01/12 15:37:20
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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it is blanket -3 but only is subject to one of those rules
Automatically Appended Next Post:
which on most cases the psycher will be in another unit so leadership wise wont matter
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2014/01/12 15:58:00
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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Soooo not looking forward to Ld tests with my GK army against Nids
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2014/01/12 16:54:38
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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wargamer1985 wrote:it is blanket -3 but only is subject to one of those rules
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which on most cases the psycher will be in another unit so leadership wise wont matter
Yes it will. Your squad may stay at LD10, but your Libby still tests at LD7
Farseers Test at L7 even while their guardian squad is LD8.
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There are like 3 good powers in GK now. How many times do you engage 30 termagants such that psychic tantrum is actually useful?
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2014/01/12 17:31:59
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Fixture of Dakka
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 Scipio Africanus wrote:it is blanket -3 but only is subject to one of those rules
There are like 3 good powers in GK now. How many times do you engage 30 termagants such that psychic tantrum is actually useful?
It's more the fact that he's taking break tests against Ld 6 or worse.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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2014/01/12 18:29:27
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Confessor Of Sins
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2014/01/12 18:43:22
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Add in the pinning test at -2 for a -5 in total, now that can be useful.
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2014/01/12 19:40:57
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sorry any Demon Psyker's that lose in CC now!
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2014/01/12 21:04:15
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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Two words:
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2014/01/12 22:31:21
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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MarkyMark wrote:Add in the pinning test at -2 for a -5 in total, now that can be useful.
I don't think it stacks as I THINK the -2 modifier ends after the pinning test is taken.
Although don't quote me on that.
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2014/01/12 22:36:16
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Jacob29 wrote:MarkyMark wrote:Add in the pinning test at -2 for a -5 in total, now that can be useful.
I don't think it stacks as I THINK the -2 modifier ends after the pinning test is taken.
Although don't quote me on that.
the 2 wpuld stack on the grounds of the psycher being at minus 3 full stop if te cause is in range and thejn the wextra minus 2 to pin you on top
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2014/01/12 23:23:41
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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A unit always uses the highest leadership for morale and pinning tests - they don't HAVE to use the character's.
So if you make a librarian Ld7, yes he's testing on ld 7 for his psychic tests because he uses his own ld for those, but for morale tests, the leadership 8 or 9 (with vet serg) marines will make the test. And if you use the horror to force pinning, they will test on 6 or 7, instead of using the libby's.
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2014/01/12 23:42:53
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Confessor Of Sins
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RAI it would make complete sense though:
Psyker too troubled by SiTW would be more Frail Morally :p
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2014/01/13 00:07:38
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Fixture of Dakka
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Just... just don't let the commissars near the poor psyker when the Nids are out in force, they might see that as signs of 'corruption' and kill them straight off.
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2014/01/13 05:15:54
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Scipio Africanus wrote:
There are like 3 good powers in GK now. How many times do you engage 30 termagants such that psychic tantrum is actually useful?
Its more for the Dreadknight to kill the whole Carnifex brood with 3 wounds from his Force sword.
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2014/01/13 05:30:50
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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I think at that point it's the 'nid player's fault for letting the knight get there. Bubble wrapping gaunts or charging him with fearless gribblies is the order of the day.
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2014/01/13 10:22:06
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Jacob29 wrote:MarkyMark wrote:Add in the pinning test at -2 for a -5 in total, now that can be useful.
I don't think it stacks as I THINK the -2 modifier ends after the pinning test is taken.
Although don't quote me on that.
Purely to pin them  . Whether its says princes, greater daemons horrors etc, it can be very situationaly useful
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06/2013: 1st at War of the Roses ETC warm up.
08/213: 3rd place double teams at 4tk
09/2013: 7th place, best daemon and non eldar/tau army at Northern Warlords GT
10/2013: 3rd/4th at Battlefield Birmingham
11/2013: 5th at GT heat 3
11/2013: 5th COG 2k at 4tk
01/2014: 34th at Caledonian
03/2014: 3rd GT Final |
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2014/01/25 15:18:30
Subject: Re:Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Scuttling Genestealer
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I was searching the forum for that specific piece of clarification!
I have hope now to engage my friend's Mephiston!
Flyrant with lashwhip/bone sword = Initiative 8, instant kill, -3 LD to Mephiston!... bring it on!
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2014/01/25 16:06:55
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Raging Ravener
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MarkyMark wrote:Jacob29 wrote:MarkyMark wrote:Add in the pinning test at -2 for a -5 in total, now that can be useful.
I don't think it stacks as I THINK the -2 modifier ends after the pinning test is taken.
Although don't quote me on that.
Purely to pin them . Whether its says princes, greater daemons horrors etc, it can be very situationaly useful
Except you cannot pin daemons due to daemonic instability. I didn't realize it either until my game against them last Tuesday. Automatically Appended Next Post: The Horror is great for Riptides though.
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2014/01/25 18:44:24
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Yeah but you can pin the hell out of Grey Knights. That's base Ld4 for most of their units, 5 with they have a character in it. Watch that Dreadknight jump to the ground 
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2014/01/25 19:47:16
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Quick query, what about CSM daemon princes? Our are they also fearless?
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2014/01/25 19:49:15
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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 Happyjew wrote:Quick query, what about CSM daemon princes? Our are they also fearless?
They are.
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2014/01/25 20:31:12
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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POKEYtheBIG wrote:MarkyMark wrote:Jacob29 wrote:MarkyMark wrote:Add in the pinning test at -2 for a -5 in total, now that can be useful.
I don't think it stacks as I THINK the -2 modifier ends after the pinning test is taken.
Although don't quote me on that.
Purely to pin them . Whether its says princes, greater daemons horrors etc, it can be very situationaly useful
Except you cannot pin daemons due to daemonic instability. I didn't realize it either until my game against them last Tuesday.
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The Horror is great for Riptides though.
Of course they can be pinned, there is nothing in DI that says they cannot. Horrors going to ground behind aegis and in terrain are a royal pain in bum unless they you have ignores cover weapons.
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06/2013: 1st at War of the Roses ETC warm up.
08/213: 3rd place double teams at 4tk
09/2013: 7th place, best daemon and non eldar/tau army at Northern Warlords GT
10/2013: 3rd/4th at Battlefield Birmingham
11/2013: 5th at GT heat 3
11/2013: 5th COG 2k at 4tk
01/2014: 34th at Caledonian
03/2014: 3rd GT Final |
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2014/01/25 20:43:19
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Bloodthirsty Bloodletter
Odessa, TX, USA
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So long as they're not required to take a Pinning Test, then yes; if so, then they automatically pass Pinning Tests. As far a I know, anything that Pins requires a Pinning Test.
The Codex never restricts going to ground, which is a sort of bypass I assume as the rules state that a unit that automatically passes Pinning Tests can still voluntarily go to ground.
Due to that, I don't believe Daemons can be Pinned, no.
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2014/01/25 21:35:58
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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We are taking about a psyhic power that makes you do a pinning test at -2 and that on most of the horrors, greater daemons and princes for CD they are pyshic so its -3 as well for a total of -5 for their already not that great ld. There is nothing in DI to say daemons auto pass pinning checks.
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40kGlobal AOA member, regular of Overlords podcast club and 4tk gaming store. Blogger @ http://sanguinesons.blogspot.co.uk/
06/2013: 1st at War of the Roses ETC warm up.
08/213: 3rd place double teams at 4tk
09/2013: 7th place, best daemon and non eldar/tau army at Northern Warlords GT
10/2013: 3rd/4th at Battlefield Birmingham
11/2013: 5th at GT heat 3
11/2013: 5th COG 2k at 4tk
01/2014: 34th at Caledonian
03/2014: 3rd GT Final |
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2014/01/25 21:54:00
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yes, it does. Pinning test is a leadership test (p40) which daemons auto pass.
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2014/01/25 21:55:23
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sorry your right they do!, been playing fantasy all day and brain is obvoiusly fried!
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40kGlobal AOA member, regular of Overlords podcast club and 4tk gaming store. Blogger @ http://sanguinesons.blogspot.co.uk/
06/2013: 1st at War of the Roses ETC warm up.
08/213: 3rd place double teams at 4tk
09/2013: 7th place, best daemon and non eldar/tau army at Northern Warlords GT
10/2013: 3rd/4th at Battlefield Birmingham
11/2013: 5th at GT heat 3
11/2013: 5th COG 2k at 4tk
01/2014: 34th at Caledonian
03/2014: 3rd GT Final |
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2014/01/27 03:05:46
Subject: Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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I find it curious that no one brings up Psychic Scream. Vs Grey Knights and Deamon Princes(if they fail their DTW roll) that's effectively a leadership test at a -5 penalty(same as The Horrer) but instead of getting pinned, they just die.
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2014/01/27 03:40:44
Subject: Re:Shadow in the Warp: -3 ld (not just for powers)
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
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It's certainly nice if you happen to roll Psychic Scream on your Flyrant while facing said armies.
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