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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 05:57:16
Subject: Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
On the back of a hog.
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I understand that the prevailing opinion around these parts are that these things rock.
But why?
Ap5 at best doesn't seem that good to me. And since they are barrage if that first template misses don't the rest miss also? Dunno about you but my dice always seem to scatter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 08:04:19
Subject: Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Fighter Pilot
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Yeah they seem to be all or nothing. If the first dice scatters your pretty much boned. If it hits though, watch the wounds stack up, that unit you hit is going down.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 08:06:00
Subject: Re:Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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I always thought Thunderfire cannons weren't good on their own merits but compared to what the codex has to offer. They fill a role the SM codex is seriously lacking in.
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Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 11:30:55
Subject: Re:Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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TFCs are crazy good, especially if you can hit them with Prescience when you need a clutch shot. Barrage means they can snipe characters 33% of the time (~50% with prescience).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 11:38:19
Subject: Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker
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They're well worth their points cost of 100. Being artillery is both a plus and minus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 12:08:17
Subject: Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
Gone-to-ground in the craters of Coventry
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Since the gunner is worth around 75 points alone, it's a good gun for 25 points.
When it hits, it's messy. With its fire options, it can help thin down a unit before you really attack it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 12:10:55
Subject: Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Implacable Skitarii
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You can always fire it directly, too. I like doing this with the cover ignoring mode in particular.
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609th Kharkovian 2000pts
Deathwatch 2000pts
Sick Marines 1500pts
Spikey Marines 2000pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 12:54:27
Subject: Re:Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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It's true cost should be around 150 for what it does. Even so it'd pay out easilly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 13:43:28
Subject: Re:Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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1) Its cheap
2) Force multiplication bonuses
3) That one time you remove 3/4 of a GEQ platoon off an objective in hard cover or completely wipe them out will be worth it alone
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 14:19:13
Subject: Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
Montreal, Quebec
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I've put them to very good use by using two of them against entranched fire warriors in ruins. They were able to clear out their backfield objective holders easilly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 14:27:41
Subject: Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I have never used them personally, mostly due to the cost of the models, but I have used whirlwinds a LOT. Same kind of function, though there are arguments for either of them as far as utility. Generally its exactly what has been said : they aren't amazing so much as filling a hole in the utility of the army. Barrage is excellent, indirect fire is always a bonus as is the sniping. The multiple damage types as well are handy to be a bit of a swiss army knife.
Personally I used whirlwinds mainly since when I got into the game I thought they looked cool, but since I have had more experience using them (and fighting AGAINST thunderfire cannons) and this is kind of a pros and cons of each. Your milage may vary of course so take this with a grain of salt :
Whirlwind Pros :
- Better AP
- Large blast
- More mobile
- Cheaper
- Loss of the gunner doesnt neuter them
- AV value makes them immune to small arms
Whirlwind cons
- less potential damage
- shorter range
- no supplimentary benefits
Thunderfire Pros
- Longer range
- Bolster terrain
- Free Techmarine
- Theoretically higher damage
Thunderfire cons
- more expensive
- worse AP
- Though high toughness, still vulnerable to small arms
Overall, the thunderfire is the better force multiplier due to range and the techmarine being able to repair and bolster terrain, but the whirlwind can be good too as it is less points and can move and shoot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 14:46:58
Subject: Re:Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Perfect Shot Ultramarine Predator Pilot
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Yes they are. You need a bit of luck but they punish fiercely opponents who forget to spread out.
You get to bolster a piece of terrain, a techmarine with servoharness, 3 different fire modes, barrage, sniping, horde control, 60" range t7 and 2 wounds.
All for 100 pts.
And do not forget barrage hits at side armor. Remenber that dastardy manticore that used to hide behind LOS?
Its side armor is 10. I encourage you to do the math
Of course, take 2 TFC's instead of one
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 15:05:13
Subject: Re:Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Raging Ravener
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They are awesome for all the reasons stated above. I use two at 1850. Really strong answer to cultists, guard tau and plaguebearers camping backfield objectives, as well as thinning out the horde running at you eg. Orks, nids and daemons. S6 is instant killing lot of those and who doesn't love S5 ignored cover. Make sure you don't let your opponent forget to take pinning checks either--especially those tau.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/16 15:10:33
Subject: Re:Are thunderfire cannons that good?
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Dakka Veteran
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I don't always win when I play Space Marines, but when I do I field TFCs.
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