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How is passing 'over a unit' defined when it comes to the vector strike of a FMC - must pass over with the base or does a wing suffice?

You measure using the base, so I would use the base.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
You measure using the base, so I would use the base.

Agree, as wings are decorative for the purposes of being shot at, I would not use them for determining VS. Vehicles have that ability, but FMCs dont.

Fragile wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:
You measure using the base, so I would use the base.

Agree, as wings are decorative for the purposes of being shot at, I would not use them for determining VS. Vehicles have that ability, but FMCs dont.

That is really going to kill the effectiveness of a Crone. Not saying it is wrong, and need to check the BRB myself on that one. And one more little buff to the Helldrake as a Flyer than an FMC.

Not really - the base is plenty big to fly over units.

rigeld2 wrote:
Not really - the base is plenty big to fly over units.

Sure it is. The problem is with the Swooping restrictions, and the big base along with the relative short movement of 24" often makes it hard to vector strike. At least that's what I've found in my 5 games with the new Tyranid codex. Pivoting max 90 degrees and flying in a straight line and forced to clear that huge base leaves you without targets now and then, whereas if it would be enough to pass with the wings, I've had plenty of targets.

Wings don't count, just like they don't count for determining line of sight.

You have to get the base over the unit to vector strike with FMCs

 CrownAxe wrote:
Wings don't count, just like they don't count for determining line of sight.

You have to get the base over the unit to vector strike with FMCs

It does specifically say base. Only that "the model has moved over that turn", are the wings over the model? Then the model has moved over that unit. In the end this looks like it will be a TO question, as there is little actual rule guidance.

barnowl wrote:

 CrownAxe wrote:
Wings don't count, just like they don't count for determining line of sight.

You have to get the base over the unit to vector strike with FMCs

It does specifically say base. Only that "the model has moved over that turn", are the wings over the model? Then the model has moved over that unit. In the end this looks like it will be a TO question, as there is little actual rule guidance.

and how does one measure this?

The rules tell you to use the base for measurements, so if the base does not move over an enemy unit then the model has not moved over the enemy unit, since you measure to and from the base.

No the rule doesn't say that the Base must pass over the models, just the model who makes the VS.

At least thats how it is in the french version...

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
No the rule doesn't say that the Base must pass over the models, just the model who makes the VS.

At least thats how it is in the french version...

The Vector Strike rule may not say it, but there are rules about measuring that say it.

Humorous aside. We have a guy that mounted his FMCs with the oval sideways for the largest spread when flying. He also made it pivotable so that he could land with the base lengthwise to fit somewhere tight..

Fragile wrote:
Humorous aside. We have a guy that mounted his FMCs with the oval sideways for the largest spread when flying. He also made it pivotable so that he could land with the base lengthwise to fit somewhere tight..

That would be going against the rule in the entry for FMC's where is states "Due to its limited manoeuvrabiliry, a Flying Monstrous Creature that is Swooping can make a single pivot on the spot of up to 90" before it moves. Thereafter it must move directly forwards in a straight line. As many Flying Monstrous Creatures are mounted on circular or oval bases, it's not always clear which way is forward. If in doubt, just make sure
you use the same point on the base as the 'front 'for the entire game." (BRB pg 49)

He can mount it either way he likes, but it's gotta stay that way for the whole game. By rotating the base, he's effectively rotating the whole model at the end of his movement phase which is not allowed for FMCs. Bring that up to him next time he tries to pull some modelling for advantage BS.

Fragile wrote:
Humorous aside. We have a guy that mounted his FMCs with the oval sideways for the largest spread when flying. He also made it pivotable so that he could land with the base lengthwise to fit somewhere tight..

This is modelling for advantage, that guys a

Edit: rage ninja'd

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
No the rule doesn't say that the Base must pass over the models, just the model who makes the VS.

At least thats how it is in the french version...

The Vector Strike rule may not say it, but there are rules about measuring that say it.

I agree with this. For models with bases distances are always measured to and from the base. For vehicle models distances are either measured from the hull or from a specific weapon on being fired.



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 Mantle wrote:

Fragile wrote:
Humorous aside. We have a guy that mounted his FMCs with the oval sideways for the largest spread when flying. He also made it pivotable so that he could land with the base lengthwise to fit somewhere tight..

This is modelling for advantage, that guys a

I would agree and beyond MFA (which can get pretty ambiguous) it's straight up breaking the rules for using FMCs