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So there's a guy at my FLGS who runs a flying circus with 2 daemon princes and a fate weaver. At higher points he also runs a blood thirster. I just played a game as my space marines and it didn't go well... I had some very poor dice rolls and he made literally every save, but either way they seem super strong. They're good at close combat, powers to buff themselves/malediction opponent, and shoot 20 shots before assaulting.

Does anybody have any advice on downing them in general? Or specifically with space marines?

 AtariAssasin wrote:
They're good at close combat, powers to buff themselves/malediction opponent, and shoot 20 shots before assaulting.

Come again?

 obsidiankatana wrote:

 AtariAssasin wrote:
They're good at close combat, powers to buff themselves/malediction opponent, and shoot 20 shots before assaulting.

Come again?

Flickering fire x3 presumably.

 ImotekhTheStormlord wrote:

Flickering fire x3 presumably.

Wouldn't that mean no Iron Arm? Seems like a silly thing to do.


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Assuming you mean 3 Warp Charges expended for the spell.

The Lash gives them a bunch of Str 6 shooting.

I may have been exaggerating about the actual number, but try can still buff and shoot something with flickering fire. They are all mastery level 3 or 4.

 AtariAssasin wrote:
I may have been exaggerating about the actual number, but try can still buff and shoot something with flickering fire. They are all mastery level 3 or 4.

3 is the highest they can go, iirc, but I get the point.

If he runs warp-forged armor on them (3+ armor save), and he probably does, the best tool SM have against them are grav guns. Bikers should clean them up soundly - ground them with TL bolter fire, end them with grav guns that care not for Iron Arm shenanigans. Otherwise - ground with tac bolters and transports' stormbolters, hammer them with lascannons. Engage with Chapter Master Vanilla Ice (Bike/AA/TH/SE) who WILL win in CC against one. Or he should, anyway.

When/if possible, engage Kairos in CC. He's terrible and will lose in CC.

Alternatively, gun down the meager troops a Circus list is forced to bring and avoid the princes - win on objectives.

Combat squading also helps, outside of a kill point game you want him to wipe you out when he lands to charge you. That way he ends up exposed on the ground to get shot at.