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If the morlock arrives from reserve and burrows and pops up where coteaz is can coteaz and his squad fire at the morlock (providing they are in range) before the morlocks damage is done on the squad he pops up on?

The Mawloc cannot burrow the turn it arrives. Furthermore, it is not deployed until after resolving the blast(s).

i been expecting you- if an enemy unit arrives from reserve and within 12 inches or cotez and his unit, coteaz and his unit can immediately make an out of turn shooting attack against it'.

so if the morlock arrives from reserve and wants to pop up where coteaz is would coteaz be able to fire at the morlock and kill it before the morlock can do that pop up damage thing?

coteaz's rule just says if an enemy unit arrives from reserve, doesn't say anything about deployed etc.

I believe the damage from Terror from the Deep is resolved first because the model hasn't arrived till it's placed on the table.

So you would resolve the damage first and then you could shoot it with Coteaz.

And if coteaz dies from this then it can't resolve its shots, as its coteaz and his unit, no coteaz no power

 Formosa wrote:
And if coteaz dies from this then it can't resolve its shots, as its coteaz and his unit, no coteaz no power

what is the str of the hit? is it 5 or 6? an what is the ap

also does anyone have the tyranid codex to quote the actual rule?

Coteaz will get eaten before he can use his "IBEY" rule.

str 6 ap 2

champagne_socialist wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
And if coteaz dies from this then it can't resolve its shots, as its coteaz and his unit, no coteaz no power

what is the str of the hit? is it 5 or 6? an what is the ap

also does anyone have the tyranid codex to quote the actual rule?

It doesn't really need to, paraphrased...

Arrive by deepstrike, roll scatter as normal.
If it deep strikes on a point occupied by another model, instead of rolling mishap you use the blast.
You do the same again if the model can not be placed in that spot after the first hit.
After resolving 2, you either are placed or mishap.

Key point there is instead of rolling mishap (Which is lifted from the book). You don't use IBEY on models that are rolling to mishap, and at this point the Mawloc is not on the table until Terror is resolved.
Until the Mawloc is placed it's; Not arrived, Not within 12 of the unit or within LOS of the unit. So it would be pretty difficult.

It would be pretty difficult for Coteaz to shoot at the Mawloc via I've Been Expecting You prior to resolving the Terror from the Deep large blasts, considering the Mawloc isn't actually on the table to be shot at yet.

my coteaz squad consists of 3 jokareos, 3 acolytes with plasma guns, 3 servitors with multi meltas and 3 psykers.

Anyone showing you by deepstrike near coteaz will get 3 multi melta shots, 3 lascannon shots, 3 plasma gun shots and a large blast str 5 ap 4 from the psykers and also 4 shots by coteaz.

Basically no one deep strikes near my coteaz unit

champagne_socialist wrote:
my coteaz squad consists of 3 jokareos, 3 acolytes with plasma guns, 3 servitors with multi meltas and 3 psykers.

Anyone showing you by deepstrike near coteaz will get 3 multi melta shots, 3 lascannon shots, 3 plasma gun shots and a large blast str 5 ap 4 from the psykers and also 4 shots by coteaz.

Basically no one deep strikes near my coteaz unit

I think the point of the Mawloc is either it kills the models, or mishaps.

It could just scatter and mis the models, placed normally then you can IBEY it, which is always a risk (Unless running Deathleaper for accurate DS or something)

Mawloc** not morlock.

 Zande4 wrote:
Mawloc** not morlock.

who cares???

 Nem wrote:

champagne_socialist wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
And if coteaz dies from this then it can't resolve its shots, as its coteaz and his unit, no coteaz no power

what is the str of the hit? is it 5 or 6? an what is the ap

also does anyone have the tyranid codex to quote the actual rule?

It doesn't really need to, paraphrased...

Arrive by deepstrike, roll scatter as normal.
If it deep strikes on a point occupied by another model, instead of rolling mishap you use the blast.
You do the same again if the model can not be placed in that spot after the first hit.
After resolving 2, you either are placed or mishap.

Key point there is instead of rolling mishap (Which is lifted from the book). You don't use IBEY on models that are rolling to mishap, and at this point the Mawloc is not on the table until Terror is resolved.
Until the Mawloc is placed it's; Not arrived, Not within 12 of the unit or within LOS of the unit. So it would be pretty difficult.

I was under the impression the first hit occurs, and if the Mawloc doesn't clear his landing place, a second hit occurs AND it mishaps?

No - the second hit happens and if it's still not clear, it mishaps.
2 chances to clear the landing zone.

Never mind, point already made.

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Rule One is Be Polite

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Rule One is Be Polite

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Rule One is Be Polite

morlock and Mawlock are two different IPs so it does kinda matter.

As for the rule, you only terror from the deep if you land on a unit which would normally result in a mishap, which isn't an arrvial. So the two S6 AP2 blasts would be done before IBEY, if any of the models along Coteaz are alive and the Mawlock can be placed then they would be allowed IBEY.

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I know ya wann shoot it but it's not on the table till it's placed so ya after the hits are done and if he is placed then shoot away. If not placed hope for a 1.

mawlock doesnt arrive till after the blasts are resolved...

hes basically the middle finger to all the interceptor stuff, and to coteaz

better take a few crusaders with coteaz so him+ unit can survive to force the mishap/or use IBEY, and remember to space out so he hits max 3 models.

side question, is the mawlock attack barrage or ignores cover?

I believe the mawlock attack ignores cover. I do not have my codex infront of me but that is what I recall reading.

blaktoof wrote:
I believe the mawlock attack ignores cover. I do not have my codex infront of me but that is what I recall reading.

This one. Ignores Cover.

 easysauce wrote:
mawlock doesnt arrive till after the blasts are resolved...

But you must place him on the table in order to start the DS process, yes? So he's on the table, and then he scatters, and then if he touches enemy models he is removed and large blasts are placed. But the Mawloc is still on the table in the first place.

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
mawlock doesnt arrive till after the blasts are resolved...

But you must place him on the table in order to start the DS process, yes? So he's on the table, and then he scatters, and then if he touches enemy models he is removed and large blasts are placed. But the Mawloc is still on the table in the first place.

Does his rule say "When the model physicaly touches the table" or does it say "When a unit arrives from reserve".
Because until you've completly resolved it's arrival, it hasn't arrived.

 grendel083 wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
mawlock doesnt arrive till after the blasts are resolved...

But you must place him on the table in order to start the DS process, yes? So he's on the table, and then he scatters, and then if he touches enemy models he is removed and large blasts are placed. But the Mawloc is still on the table in the first place.

Does his rule say "When the model physicaly touches the table" or does it say "When a unit arrives from reserve".
Because until you've completly resolved it's arrival, it hasn't arrived.

could argue it has arrived from reserve and it just does damage to enemy models because they are ion the same place tht the morlock has arrived. the morlock has to arrive to do the damage on the models.

champagne_socialist wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

 Elric Greywolf wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
mawlock doesnt arrive till after the blasts are resolved...

But you must place him on the table in order to start the DS process, yes? So he's on the table, and then he scatters, and then if he touches enemy models he is removed and large blasts are placed. But the Mawloc is still on the table in the first place.

Does his rule say "When the model physicaly touches the table" or does it say "When a unit arrives from reserve".
Because until you've completly resolved it's arrival, it hasn't arrived.

could argue it has arrived from reserve and it just does damage to enemy models because they are ion the same place tht the morlock has arrived. the morlock has to arrive to do the damage on the models.

The Mawloc hasn't arrived until after it explodes twice.

GK FAQ wrote:If the unit is arriving by Deep Strike, this will be after the scatter has been resolved.

The scatter isn't resolved until after the explosions - we know because the Mawloc can still mishap.