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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 09:39:54
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25913472
Last month a Chinese official in charge of internet surveillance gave notice that mobs of web users who turn on individuals and make their lives a misery will not be tolerated. In China it happens often and on a massive scale, earning the phenomenon the title of the "human flesh search engine".
On Thursday 21 March 2013, the world changed for Yin Feng, a self-described "average guy" who worked as a part-time taxi driver in the western Chinese city of Urumqi.
Just after 14:00 his mobile phone began ringing off the hook. The callers all berated the bewildered Yin, screaming obscenities and accusing him of acting like an animal.
It took a while for Yin to uncover why the strangers phoning him were so upset.
"Finally, some sensible citizens told me a story about me they heard on the radio, or on the internet," he recalls.
Earlier that day, they told him, a driver in Urumqi had rolled down his window to spit on an elderly homeless person lying on the street. Witnesses recorded the first few digits of the spitter's licence plate. The information was quickly broadcast by a local radio station.
Thousands then banded together online to track down the perpetrator.
Driver with the licence plate A36D62, you really humiliate all men," wrote one angry internet user. "Please forward this post and let's see what kind of ugly face he has. Let's extinguish him. Die! Such a disgrace. We don't even know where he's from. Get out of Urumqi."
Hours later, they zeroed in on Yin, whose licence plate was a partial match and posted his mobile number online.
The internet vigilantes were wrong, Yin insists. He tried to defend himself to anyone who would listen, explaining he wasn't guilty of spitting on anyone.
But as soon as Yin hung up with one angry caller, his phone would ring again. And again. And thousands of times again.
"All of my private information was made public. My ID card number, name, phone number, address, even my mother-in-law's phone number was dug out and posted online," Yin remembers. "I even received phone calls blackmailing me, threatening to burn my house down if I didn't pay them 200,000 RMB [$33,000; £20,000]."
Mr Yin was an unwitting target of what has been named China's human flesh search engine.
At its worst, the ghoulishly-named "flesh-searching" phenomenon is cyber-bullying on an epic scale, sometimes involving hundreds of thousands of anonymous Chinese internet surfers ganging up to uncover the identity of an unsuspecting target. Users band together to uncover a person's identity - sometimes a suspected adulterer, sometimes an animal abuser.
The phenomenon first scored attention in 2006, when many in China began to turn to the internet for the majority of their entertainment. The use of internet forums exploded during that period.
One of the first notorious cases involved the search for a woman who starred in an anonymous video using the high heel of her stiletto to crush a kitten's skull. The woman, who turned out to be a nurse, was suspended from her job when her identity was revealed. She received numerous death threats and considered suicide, Chinese state television reported.
Hundreds of similar cases followed. With 591 million internet users, China has the world's largest internet population. They're also arguably the most obsessive, picking over the smallest details in photos that capture the public's imagination.
But at the highest levels, it seems the government is taking notice. Last month, Liu Zhengrong, a top Communist official in charge of China's internet surveillance said the government believed the human flesh search engine was "illegal and immoral". His caution was soon echoed in China's major state media outlets - a signal, Chinese lawyers say, that flesh-searching tactics won't be tolerated in the courts. Legislation might soon follow.
But up until now it has been possible for anyone to find themselves in the cross hairs of China's internet forums.
In 2009, Zhang Zetian was an ordinary high school student. One day, as she was leaving class, a friend snapped a photo of her with a Chinese milk tea drink in her hand, backpack slung over one shoulder. Zhang's photo was then posted on Renren.com, a popular social networking site. Complete strangers then forwarded the photo hundreds of thousands of times, proclaiming the "Milk Tea Girl" to be "adorable!" and "fresh faced!".
"A newspaper reporter called me one day and suddenly I realised that people had noticed me on the internet," Zhang explains. All her personal details were posted online.
Years later, Zhang remains an internet celebrity. Multiple photos of her doe-eyed face are in regular circulation. When she was admitted into Tsinghua, one of China's top universities, her fame peaked again.
Sitting in a cafe near her campus, Zhang seems embarrassed by her unlikely rise to celebrity status.
"No matter where I go, people attempt to take secret photos of me," she says. People follow her with camera phones on campus and sometimes in class. Admirers have even tried to break into her university dormitory.
Those who favour increased policing of the internet to stop flesh-searching cite cases like the Milk Tea Girl as classic examples. When so many strangers focus their attention on a single person, some inevitably go too far.
Sceptics might point to the fact that it's in the government's interest to rein in the practice, since the flesh-searching phenomenon has also targeted members of the Communist Party.
The most famous case of political flesh-searching involves the "watch uncle", a Communist official in China's central Shaanxi province who was spotted smiling at the scene of a deadly traffic accident. Who was this man, many wondered.
They soon discovered he was the province's health and safety chief, a man named Yang Dacai. Some also realised that in every official photograph, Yang was wearing a different designer watch, worth far more than he could afford on his official salary. Days after his smiling face first snagged attention, he found himself without a job.
Since then, watch spotting has become an internet sport and "watch uncles" have been outed all over China. Some officials even attracted attention when their obvious tan lines indicated they had just removed their watches before allowing a photo to be taken.
In small ways, the human flesh search engine is forcing Communist officials to change their behaviour.
By using the internet to police the party, citizens can train their own government to obey the constitution, argues Wu Zuolai, a scholar with the Chinese Academy of Arts in Beijing.
"They get criticised every day, and it will become a regular routine," he says. "Before, leaders locked themselves up in Zhongnanhai [the government leaders' compound], focusing their minds on how to keep the people in sealed boxes without speaking or moving freely. I believe Xi Jinping's era will be more open."
Even if laws appear on the books, Beijing might find it difficult to reign in the public's appetite for scrutinising others.
The internet is notoriously hard to control, even in China, where censors regularly delete blog posts and comments the government deems unacceptable. Some targets of flesh-searching have already taken their cases to court, but it's hard to blame a single perpetrator.
Months later, Yin Feng, the taxi driver, is still shaken by his ordeal. He scans the internet regularly for mentions of his name and he watches other flesh-searching incidents carefully. Attempts to report his experience to the authorities have not had much effect.
Yin hopes the government will enact new laws to give ordinary folk like him power against internet vigilantes.
"Many years have passed since the internet became so powerful," he explains. "If other victims' personal lives are affected like mine was, at least they'll have the law to turn to. If nothing is done, frightening things will happen."
The case of Wang Fei
In 2008, a Beijing widower named Wang Fei found himself under attack from the human flesh search engine. His wife had killed herself after finding out he had been having an affair. A friend then hacked into her email and posted her diaries online.
Within days, Wang had lost his job and had moved in with his parents to escape angry internet users who had read the diaries. But he was followed - mobs painted death threats on his parents' door and handed fliers with his photo, calling him a murderer.
"I told him we could only sue websites and people with identities. Those internet users, tens of thousands of them, we don't know who they are," says his lawyer, Zhang Yanfeng.
In the end, Wang successfully sued the operators of three websites for violating his privacy and unfairly smearing his reputation.
China's internet use
In 2011, Chinese consumers spent 1.9bn hours a day online - up 60% from two years earlier
By 2015, China will add nearly 200m users, reaching an internet population of more than 700m - double that of Japan and US combined
Half Chinese internet users say that it is their most trusted source of information, followed by TV at 30% and newspapers at 15%
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 10:28:39
Subject: Re:China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Well gak
That is really fethed up
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 11:45:28
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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I remember the bitch who killed that kitten in the animal snuff video by crushing it's head with her shoe. Apparently more than a few of these videos are made for 'specialist interest' audiences and I've watched part of it, it's totally fething appalling.
I'm only sorry she didn't commit suicide, along with everyone else involved in the creation of such things, I'd certainly be more than willing to aid them.
The online mob also tracked down a piece of shiz who threw a dog off a bridge in Lithuania as well, so whilst it's potentially a dangerous thing, on these sorts of occasion, I have zero problem with them identifying and persecuting scum.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 12:09:30
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:I remember the bitch who killed that kitten in the animal snuff video by crushing it's head with her shoe. Apparently more than a few of these videos are made for 'specialist interest' audiences and I've watched part of it, it's totally fething appalling.
I'm only sorry she didn't commit suicide, along with everyone else involved in the creation of such things, I'd certainly be more than willing to aid them.
The online mob also tracked down a piece of shiz who threw a dog off a bridge in Lithuania as well, so whilst it's potentially a dangerous thing, on these sorts of occasion, I have zero problem with them identifying and persecuting scum.
I stumbled upon this as well, and couldn't really watch too much of it without forcibly closing the window. Disgusting that a human being could do that without hesitation, and on camera as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 13:24:42
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Captain Fantastic wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote:I remember the bitch who killed that kitten in the animal snuff video by crushing it's head with her shoe. Apparently more than a few of these videos are made for 'specialist interest' audiences and I've watched part of it, it's totally fething appalling.
I'm only sorry she didn't commit suicide, along with everyone else involved in the creation of such things, I'd certainly be more than willing to aid them.
The online mob also tracked down a piece of shiz who threw a dog off a bridge in Lithuania as well, so whilst it's potentially a dangerous thing, on these sorts of occasion, I have zero problem with them identifying and persecuting scum.
I stumbled upon this as well, and couldn't really watch too much of it without forcibly closing the window. Disgusting that a human being could do that without hesitation, and on camera as well.
WTF this stuff actually exists? Ive heard of it, but i always thought it was an urban legend? Pleasepleaseplease dont say its real
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 13:33:37
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Haven't we also had problems with Anon and Reddit "investigating" events like the Boston Bombing and naming the wrong people as suspects?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 14:32:17
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Dreadclaw69 wrote:Haven't we also had problems with Anon and Reddit "investigating" events like the Boston Bombing and naming the wrong people as suspects?
Internet mobbing happens here but its not a huge phenoma in the West (I've never heard of this thing in CHina before). Anonymous has done similar things like with the Stubenville Rape case and some instances of internet bullying, but we definitely don't have it even remotely close to that bad. It's kind of terrifying really (the the watch uncle bit is hilarious).
I'll also echo MeanGreen. Not much sympathy for someone who crushes a kitten's head.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 16:29:57
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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So are you guys pro-vigilante mob or anti-vigilante mob?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 16:31:30
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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I'm anti-vigilante, but pro-mob.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 16:33:07
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Solahma
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So Don Carlo putting a hit out on kitten killer is ok but Chinanon needs to ease up on the internet?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 16:36:22
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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<--- Asking me?
Nah. Vigilantes are wrong. Mobs are good for building barns and doing 5k walks to raise money. That's about it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 16:51:48
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:The online mob also tracked down a piece of shiz who threw a dog off a bridge in Lithuania as well, so whilst it's potentially a dangerous thing, on these sorts of occasion, I have zero problem with them identifying and persecuting scum.
Mob justice, the best kind of justice.
To be clear, I'm a little bit disgusted by the fact that people will endorse the ruination of a human life because that human killed a non-human animal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 16:59:43
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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Oh god.
4chan has reached the real world.
It's game-over man, game-over!
Seriously though, this is just disturbing. I mean, do your research first, and then harass the guy. Going off on a tangent and attacking an innocent just gives vigilantes a bad name. Automatically Appended Next Post: Manchu wrote:So Don Carlo putting a hit out on kitten killer is ok but Chinanon needs to ease up on the internet?
Link? I tried doing a search for that, but all I found was an October 13 203 article about a man who bought a bunch of kittens on craiglist, named them, then took them to a special little room where he hurled them against the walls and stomped on them.
That story made me sad, and I wish many horrible things to happen to him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 17:04:50
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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LordofHats wrote: Dreadclaw69 wrote:Haven't we also had problems with Anon and Reddit "investigating" events like the Boston Bombing and naming the wrong people as suspects?
Internet mobbing happens here but its not a huge phenoma in the West (I've never heard of this thing in CHina before). Anonymous has done similar things like with the Stubenville Rape case and some instances of internet bullying, but we definitely don't have it even remotely close to that bad. It's kind of terrifying really (the the watch uncle bit is hilarious).
I'll also echo MeanGreen. Not much sympathy for someone who crushes a kitten's head.
Hel, remember when the George Zimmermn thing first came up, Some black Activist group gave the adress of his house....tourned out zimmerman is not an uncommon last name.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 17:05:00
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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dogma wrote: MeanGreenStompa wrote:The online mob also tracked down a piece of shiz who threw a dog off a bridge in Lithuania as well, so whilst it's potentially a dangerous thing, on these sorts of occasion, I have zero problem with them identifying and persecuting scum.
Mob justice, the best kind of justice.
To be clear, I'm a little bit disgusted by the fact that people will endorse the ruination of a human life because that human killed a non-human animal.
So animals are worthless then? I find it disgusting that animals are killed off or harmed just to give the bloke an ego boost.
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Westwood lives in death!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 17:10:57
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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dogma wrote:I'm a little bit disgusted by the fact that people will endorse the ruination of a human life because that human killed a non-human animal.
That's gold medal material for the logical long jump. Automatically Appended Next Post: No link. I wasn't referring to anything that actually happened. I just think the thread is full of mixed messages.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 17:12:34
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So animals are worthless then? I find it disgusting that animals are killed off or harmed just to give the bloke an ego boost.
No, but animal lives are worth less than human lives.
I mean, let's be honest, the vast majority of people in the world endorse the killing of animals for consumption despite the fact that we can subsist on vegan diets. The reason for this is mere preference, not especially distinct from an "ego boost".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 17:26:16
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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dogma wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote: So animals are worthless then? I find it disgusting that animals are killed off or harmed just to give the bloke an ego boost. No, but animal lives are worth less than human lives. I mean, let's be honest, the vast majority of people in the world endorse the killing of animals for consumption despite the fact that we can subsist on vegan diets. The reason for this is mere preference, not especially distinct from an "ego boost". Actually, it has more to do with evolution. It is theorized that the consumption of meat provided enough protein for early-human's brains to develop. So not just mere preference, but hard wired into humanity's survival. Completely different from throwing a dog off a cliff for gaks and giggles. Articles: http://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html http://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120420105539.htm http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/evidence-for-meat-eating-by-early-humans-103874273
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 17:34:38
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Just because you're raising something just so you can kill it and eat it doesn't mean you can't treat it with the dignity of a living creature. Kittens aren't even a regular food (asian jokes aside) so I draw a bit of an issue to guys spanking to the image of a woman in pumps crushing ones head (that is what crusher videos are for). It's twisted. That the Supreme Court didn't ban it was a travisty.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 17:41:46
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Et In Arcadia Ego
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kronk wrote: Mobs are good for building barns and doing 5k walks to raise money. That's about it.
And Anthills.
-- note to self check this before posting.
I was somewhat surprised that they'd been able to have ... hmm... .. unelected  officials removed from their job.
Still, good for them.
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 17:46:02
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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hotsauceman1 wrote:Hel, remember when the George Zimmermn thing first came up, Some black Activist group gave the adress of his house....tourned out zimmerman is not an uncommon last name.
Good thing CNN (I believe) then broadcast images of his SNN then to make sure that there was no confusion
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 18:11:04
Subject: Re:China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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As the article points out, everything posted on the internet is true so this can only be a good thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 18:15:38
Subject: Re:China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Medium of Death wrote:As the article points out, everything posted on the internet is true so this can only be a good thing.
Together we can create a reality that we can all agree on - the reality we just agreed on
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 18:22:20
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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dogma wrote: CthuluIsSpy wrote:
So animals are worthless then? I find it disgusting that animals are killed off or harmed just to give the bloke an ego boost.
No, but animal lives are worth less than human lives.
I mean, let's be honest, the vast majority of people in the world endorse the killing of animals for consumption despite the fact that we can subsist on vegan diets. The reason for this is mere preference, not especially distinct from an "ego boost".
Yes, but these animals are treated with the dignity they deserve. Whats more, their deaths are not for no cause as their bodys go to sustain other beings. Killing for fun, or for some sick and fethed up fetish is different.
LordofHats wrote:Just because you're raising something just so you can kill it and eat it doesn't mean you can't treat it with the dignity of a living creature. Kittens aren't even a regular food (asian jokes aside) so I draw a bit of an issue to guys spanking to the image of a woman in pumps crushing ones head (that is what crusher videos are for). It's twisted. That the Supreme Court didn't ban it was a travisty.
People.... GET OFF ON ANIMALS BEING CRUSHED?! Yeah, there is a lot of fethed up gak in this world. And killing a Kitten? What the feth is wrong with these people?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 18:38:11
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CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Actually, it has more to do with evolution. It is theorized that the consumption of meat provided enough protein for early-human's brains to develop. So not just mere preference, but hard wired into humanity's survival.
Preference is ultimately driven by evolution.
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Completely different from throwing a dog off a cliff for gaks and giggles.
Humans often do disgusting things in the interest of survival. Throwing a dog off a cliff for psychological reasons (sanity being necessary for survival), or crushing a kittens head for financial ones seems no worse to me than paying people to slaughter animals when alternative protein and vitamin sources exist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 18:39:39
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People have sex with pavements and lamp posts.
You know the phrase "There's an app for that" ?
There's a fetish for that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 18:42:12
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There is a lot of graphic evidence which indicates the contrary.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 19:01:47
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dogma wrote: Humans often do disgusting things in the interest of survival. Throwing a dog off a cliff for psychological reasons (sanity being necessary for survival), or crushing a kittens head for financial ones seems no worse to me than paying people to slaughter animals when alternative protein and vitamin sources exist. 1) There are other past-times than murder. This forum is dedicated to one of them. If a person must cause death or inflict pain to stop himself from going insane, he's already past the point of no return. There's term for people like that. It's "Serial Killer." In fact, one of the signs of sociopathic tendencies, to the point where it's a cliche in every bit of Serial Killer fiction, is animal torture and death. 2) I don't think killing a kitten for some one's fetish is a viable career choice. If it were, you'd find a lot more of it. 3) Read the links above. Our ancestors subsisted on vegetables, and it did not provide the necessary amount a protein to do anything decent. These alternative sources are insufficient.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2014/01/29 19:03:36
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A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 19:25:12
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Murder is the wrong word, thus making serial killer the wrong description.
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Prestor Jon wrote:Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 19:28:51
Subject: China's internet vigilantes and the 'human flesh search engine'
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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MrDwhitey wrote:Murder is the wrong word, thus making serial killer the wrong description. Very well, substitute Murder with Killing. The outcome is still the same.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/01/29 19:30:29
What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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