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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 15:20:24
Subject: New Player building 2014 Tyranids..
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Human Auxiliary to the Empire
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This is my first time posting a list for comments. I only play casually right now in a LGS league. I normally play Tau, so Tyranids is a bit of a departure in terms of tactics.
I would like it to be mostly fast melee. Get up in opponents face and chew them to bits. All help is appreciated.
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Swarmlord - 285pts
3x Tyrant Guard - 150
Rending claws
Scything Talons
Elite
Venomthrope - 45
Troops
30x Hormagaunt - 150
30x Hormagaunt - 150
6x Tyranid Warriors - 252
3x Boneswords, Scything Talons
3x Rending Claws, Scything Talons
Heavy Support
2x Carnifex - 240
Scything talons
Trygon - 200
Toxin-Sac
Total - 1472/1500
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 18:27:10
Subject: New Player building 2014 Tyranids..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Break your Squads of gaunts up into smaller squads. That will help you move a bit faster, and be more versatile. I'm not sure where the Trygon fits in your list. If you drop a Warrior, you could replace him with 2 more Fexes. Since you are planning a slow slog across the board, Fexes seem like they would fit in a bit better. This suggestion go a little far afield of a simple list tweak, but, maybe running huge swarms of Gargoyles could give you enough speed to be competitive without seriously reducing your killing power. Drop the Trygon and 1 Squad of Gaunts, and you could run 3 squads of 20 Gargoyles. I'm not sure that a Melee oriented list will ever be very versatile in 6th edition, but if you do have success please let us know.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2014/01/29 18:30:42
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 18:53:00
Subject: New Player building 2014 Tyranids..
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Human Auxiliary to the Empire
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tag8833 wrote:Break your Squads of gaunts up into smaller squads. That will help you move a bit faster, and be more versatile.
I'm not sure where the Trygon fits in your list. If you drop a Warrior, you could replace him with 2 more Fexes. Since you are planning a slow slog across the board, Fexes seem like they would fit in a bit better.
This suggestion go a little far afield of a simple list tweak, but, maybe running huge swarms of Gargoyles could give you enough speed to be competitive without seriously reducing your killing power. Drop the Trygon and 1 Squad of Gaunts, and you could run 3 squads of 20 Gargoyles.
I'm not sure that a Melee oriented list will ever be very versatile in 6th edition, but if you do have success please let us know.
Thanks I appreciate your feedback.
The Trygon is there honestly because I picked up the model and wanted to paint it because they look pretty badass. So its not necessary, but I really love the model. I guess my logic was that he would deepstrike to disrupt the opponent, giving more time to the rest. What I think are the only killers are the Swarmlord, Carnifexes, maybe the warriors and the tyrant guard. I'm not used to building melee heavy lists, but that was sort of the challenge.
I feel like the new Codex is trying to be more swarmy. I understand that gargoyles are good for that, I just don't want shooters. Despite 6th edition being a shooty game.
How do people feel about Raveners? They could work in tandem with the Trygon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 19:35:05
Subject: New Player building 2014 Tyranids..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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doctor_doom wrote:The Trygon is there honestly because I picked up the model and wanted to paint it because they look pretty badass. So its not necessary, but I really love the model. I guess my logic was that he would deepstrike to disrupt the opponent, giving more time to the rest. What I think are the only killers are the Swarmlord, Carnifexes, maybe the warriors and the tyrant guard. I'm not used to building melee heavy lists, but that was sort of the challenge.
I feel like the new Codex is trying to be more swarmy. I understand that gargoyles are good for that, I just don't want shooters. Despite 6th edition being a shooty game.
How do people feel about Raveners? They could work in tandem with the Trygon.
If you like the Trygon model, and want a non-shooty list consider running him as a Mawloc. The Deep strike is pretty effective, and the Mawloc has no shooting at all. Plus he is cheaper.
I've never used Raveners as they seem too expensive, but they would server a similar purpose to Gargoyles in that they add a lot of Speed. One other option to consider is Shrikes. They cost the same as warriors, have the same stats and wargear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 19:50:53
Subject: New Player building 2014 Tyranids..
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Sneaky Lictor
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For the price you paid for the SL and guards.. you could have two CC spec'd flyrants. They would be much faster and generate more targets.. Plus getting them into combat is easier and tech give you 4 powers instead of 3.
If your running CC then you need to be moving as fast as you can.. Get some AG on those carnis and warriors... to get them into combat faster.. if they deploy right or play a fast army.. they could just kite you around till they wipe you off.
Gargoyles don't have to be shooters.. use them as a flyrant screen then use their blind as part of an assault from them and some horms.. or a flyrant. they should fail a blinding test at some point and time. (provided not immune)
If you want CC, I can understand that but you need to get much faster units... slow walking across the board for three turns means you are likely just to be shot to pieces.
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- 4500pts: Shinzon Dynasty
3000pts: Hive Fleet Empusa
- 3000pts Rampagers |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 21:06:59
Subject: Re:New Player building 2014 Tyranids..
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Human Auxiliary to the Empire
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Thanks for the help! I've updated a list, let me know if this seems more inline with what I want to do.
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Hive Tyrant - 230
scything talons
wings
boneswords
old adversary
Hive Tyrant - 230
scything talons
wings
boneswords
old adversary
Troops
20x Hormagaunt Brood - 100
20x Hormagaunt Brood - 100
20x Hormagaunt Brood - 100
6 Warriors - 270
3 scything talons, 3 boneswords
3 scything talons, 3 Rending Claws
6 Adrenal Glands
Heavy Support
Carnifex 150
Scything Talons
Crushing Claws
Adrenal Glands
Carnifex 150
Scything Talons
Crushing Claws
Adrenal Glands
Mawloc - 170
Adrenal Glands
Acid Blood
1500/1500
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 21:13:08
Subject: New Player building 2014 Tyranids..
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Krazed Killa Kan
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You don't want any upgrades on your mawloc. They pop up, kill and then burrow again. You are wasting 30 pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 21:21:32
Subject: New Player building 2014 Tyranids..
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Picked a rough time to pick up nids... lol
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 21:49:04
Subject: New Player building 2014 Tyranids..
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Sneaky Lictor
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Yeah, mawloc doesn't need any upgrades.. you could put TS on your tyrants with that.. or add some thorax stuff if you want some wall of death overwatch or a template before you charge.
Given what you want to do, I think the second list is a fair bit better than you first.
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- 4500pts: Shinzon Dynasty
3000pts: Hive Fleet Empusa
- 3000pts Rampagers |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/01/29 23:33:10
Subject: New Player building 2014 Tyranids..
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think that 2nd list is probably about as good as you are going to get. Post a thread in Tactics or do a Batrep after you've tried it to let us know how well it worked.
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