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As the title suggests, why isn't there an option for shooty Assault Squads?

Fluff-wise it would be tactically logical to have an extremely mobile ranged squad that can re-locate to deal with threats/ assist flanks, and be able to extract themselves from un-favourable circumstances.
In game, they'd still be fast attack and un-able to capture objectives but provide mobile ranged fire support for chapters that are mobility/ flanking based.

In an army that favours tactical flexibility, why don't these exist?

Otto Weston wrote:
As the title suggests, why isn't there an option for shooty Assault Squads?

Fluff-wise it would be tactically logical to have an extremely mobile ranged squad that can re-locate to deal with threats/ assist flanks, and be able to extract themselves from un-favourable circumstances.
In game, they'd still be fast attack and un-able to capture objectives but provide mobile ranged fire support for chapters that are mobility/ flanking based.

In an army that favours tactical flexibility, why don't these exist?

GK Interceptors fit that role I suppose, but you're right in that there aren't any shooty Jump Packers. I guess that's the role Bikers fill though.

eldar striking scorpions are fast and shoty.

Makumba wrote:
eldar striking scorpions are fast and shoty.

I think you're thinking of Warp Spiders. Striking Scorpions are the ones with Infiltrate and special Chainswords.

Tau crisis battlesuits anybody? We invented Jump-Shoot-Jump.

Dark Eldar Scourges fill this role completely. Jump troops with support weapons. The Eldar Corsair unit from IA11 can also take 2 heavy and 2 special weapons and be fitted with jetpacks, so pretty shooty. Tau stealthsuits and Crisis suits also cover this role.

In DoW2 you could convert the Marine assault squad into ranged weapon specialists, and I do think its a shame you can't do that in-game.

Makumba wrote:
eldar striking scorpions are fast and shoty.

 dementedwombat wrote:
Tau crisis battlesuits anybody?

 Flinty wrote:
Dark Eldar Scourges fill this role completely.

OP was referring to just Space Marines. Though I admit, I nearly mentioned AS Seraphim.

But if you want Marines to have such an option, just ally in one of the above.

If assault squads could take bolters the be so more useful

zilka86 wrote:
If assault squads could take bolters the be so more useful

Oooohh!
Just had a vision of "Starship Troopers" from the book.
Power armored jump troops armed with heavy slug thrower / flamer and grenade launchers.
Put jump packs on Sternguard!

Edited;/ Ignore im dumb

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Makumba wrote:
eldar striking scorpions are fast and shoty.

I think you're thinking of Warp Spiders. Striking Scorpions are the ones with Infiltrate and special Chainswords.

yes , the one that jump around with the monofilment thingies. str 7 vs vehicles.

 Talizvar wrote:

zilka86 wrote:
If assault squads could take bolters the be so more useful

Oooohh!
Just had a vision of "Starship Troopers" from the book.
Power armored jump troops armed with heavy slug thrower / flamer and grenade launchers.
Put jump packs on Sternguard!

Jump packs on the Sternguard might be a bit OTT though

Otto Weston wrote:
Jump packs on the Sternguard might be a bit OTT though

Never let over the top stop you from a cool idea.
Case and point: Riptide.

You can take shooty BA assault marines for an arm and a leg. It costs so much because unlike the assault marines of other dexes we need 10men to take the extra special weapon.

Poly Ranger wrote:
You can take shooty BA assault marines for an arm and a leg. It costs so much because unlike the assault marines of other dexes we need 10men to take the extra special weapon.

You get meltaguns and are scoring though.

Blood Angels can take Death Company with jump packs and bolters with relentless. that's about as shooty and assaulty as it gets but for 35 points a model.

Well, you could give jump packs to wolfguard and give them combi-weapons but that´s pretty expensive...

 Talizvar wrote:

Otto Weston wrote:
Jump packs on the Sternguard might be a bit OTT though

Never let over the top stop you from a cool idea.
Case and point: Riptide.

I always wanted to see Nurgle Ogyrn Space Marine Bikers in Centurion armor... They'd be the size if a Rhino, probably around 4 Wounds, T9, 2+ armor, an ungodly amount of forepower and strength, Shrouded, Jink, really really fast...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
You can take shooty BA assault marines for an arm and a leg. It costs so much because unlike the assault marines of other dexes we need 10men to take the extra special weapon.

You get meltaguns and are scoring though.

Yeh thats not bad admittedly. I wasnt talking about melta though as I dont consider effective 6" range as shooty. I meant plasma guns, and paying 220pts for 4 rapidfire range plasma shots which deny assault is terrible.

 Brotherjanus wrote:
Blood Angels can take Death Company with jump packs and bolters with relentless. that's about as shooty and assaulty as it gets but for 35 points a model.

And they'll still tear your opponent's face off in assault.

I'm suprised noone mentiond shoota boyz.

 phatonic wrote:
I'm suprised noone mentiond shoota boyz.

OP is looking specifically for marines.

Ahh the way i read it, it didnt sound like it but more in general. Sternguard + beefy hq?

Horus Heresy has these:

It would be nice to get similar unit in 40K too.

 Crimson wrote:
Horus Heresy has these:

It would be nice to get similar unit in 40K too.

Yeah this was exactly what I wanted , having these in normal 40k would be good. Strange why they didn't really.

Otto Weston wrote:
As the title suggests, why isn't there an option for shooty Assault Squads?

Fluff-wise it would be tactically logical to have an extremely mobile ranged squad that can re-locate to deal with threats/ assist flanks, and be able to extract themselves from un-favourable circumstances.
In game, they'd still be fast attack and un-able to capture objectives but provide mobile ranged fire support for chapters that are mobility/ flanking based.

In an army that favours tactical flexibility, why don't these exist?

I agree, Grey knight intercepters do fill that role and bikes arent too bad either.
Jump pack guys... I actually think they should carry more than pistals. They should carry the same kit as normal marines plus the additional hand weapon. i also feel they shouldnt be so limited on which special weapon to take.

Hmmmm... Maybe an option to upgrade a sarge in an assault squad to be a sternguard? That way, you wouldnt have a whole squad of them in jump packs. Just one to lead them and boost their firepower?

Vanguard can take one or two plasma/grav pistols paired with their bolt pistol. The gunfighter rule means they can jump around firing both at once.

Those are very expensive though. I'd be more inclined to ally Death Company.

Vanguard veterans can be given all sorts of shiet. jump packs and grav/plasma guns and a lot of other stuff. maybe command squads as well depending on loadouts.

 Crimson wrote:
Horus Heresy has these:
It would be nice to get similar unit in 40K too.

Whats the middle guy packing?

Bishop F Gantry wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Horus Heresy has these:
It would be nice to get similar unit in 40K too.

Whats the middle guy packing?

Rad Grenade Launcher IIRC.