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I am new to 40k so please confirm if this idea could work. I am thinking about Eldar + Ultramarines ally mainly for Tigurius (Biomacy -> Enfeble). Beside him I am thinking about 2-3 Wraitknights to Insta Gib (Istant Death) any T6 targets under Enfeble like Riptide's with Heavy Wraith Cannons.

As I understand even Eldar is not Battle Brother wtih SM they can still benefit from Tigurius maledictions ?

There are a few ways to do this actually, and most of the toughness-dropping tricks belong to SM.

Ravenwing Black Knights rad grenades, Inquisitorial Rad grenades, and enfeeble all are toughness drops - and stack if done properly. It is feasible to drop a unit three points of toughness without trying too hard - and everybody loves IDing a Riptide with a Scatter Laser.

Pretty sure the psychic power rule about allies of convinience only refers to blessings as they are targeted on the allied model.

Albeit, Inquisitorial grenades only operate in assault. But get something S6 in that assault - pop goes the Riptide.

An enemy unit is what gets inflicted with the malediction. As the effects are solely on those models, that means even non-battle brother units shooting at it will do so at their new lower toughness values.

For the record, wraithknights should eat Riptides for breakfast regardless of being able to ID them or not. If they get in CC, which is pretty easy to do as a jump MC, they SHOULD blow it to pieces. Hopefully.

 SRSFACE wrote:

For the record, wraithknights should eat Riptides for breakfast regardless of being able to ID them or not. If they get in CC, which is pretty easy to do as a jump MC, they SHOULD blow it to pieces. Hopefully.

that's mostly true however by using this combo you can kill riptide with single Heavy Wraithcannon shot at 36" :-)

Heavy D-scythes ID at a to wound roll of 6 anyway (Distort rule).

That's very true.

I have plans to bring a Vindicator or two with my Dark Angels to utilize alongside my black knights for this exact thing. We have like 6 Tau players lately and they are the only ones just showing up to find a game rather than pre-arranging a battle. All of them rock a riptide, or two, and I think blowing it away with a demo cannon would be a lot of fun.


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Heavy D-scythes ID at a to wound roll of 6 anyway (Distort rule).

1/6 is not as good as 5/6. Just saying!

It's a nice idea, if a little situational.

Try it out, it might be a bit too difficult to pull off due to the number of factors which will need to align correctly. You may just be better off assaulting it with the Wraithknight and running it down!

Iranna.

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 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Heavy D-scythes ID at a to wound roll of 6 anyway (Distort rule).

1/6 is not as good as 5/6. Just saying!

Aren't HDS only S9? If they are S10 then I understand (I don't have my book with me).

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Aren't HDS only S9? If they are S10 then I understand (I don't have my book with me).

They are S4, but any To Wound rolls of '6' gain Instant Death.

Heavy Wraithcannons (what I think was meant) are S10.

Iranna.

 SRSFACE wrote:
I have plans to bring a Vindicator or two with my Dark Angels to utilize alongside my black knights for this exact thing.

that seems v solid - if you have two squads of black knights and two vindicators, with a bit of luck you'll be taking down two riptides a turn

I thought there was a wording in the rad granades rule that said the toughness drop doesn't count for ID purposes...

Precisely the opposite, actually. They explicitly state that it does count.

Ahh I will have to have another look. Seems as though I misread that.

Getting a footslogging inquisitor with rad grenades into melee with a riptide is pretty unlikely, the only way you could do it would be putting him in an Inquisitorial Land Raider and at that point I'd just have Coteaz swing his Nemesis Daemon Hammer into the riptide and force kill it.

The most likely scenario for an Enfeeble + S10 attack is probably with Daemon Princes who are likely to be making a lot of rolls on Biomancy (hoping for iron arm) and can combo with Smash attacks in a pinch for instant death vs T6. If popping riptides is your thing then the sun cannon is probably a reasonable tool, even better if you Doom the riptide first but against a riptide you might aswell get into combat with it and punch it in the face till it drops (or runs away), it needs 5+ to hit and has to smash and if you took the sun cannon you get the 5++.

Remember also that Enfeeble is a malediction so it is done before you move which limits its range a little.

If you're using Daemon Princes you're better off using a CSM Daemon Prince and just Black Macing it.

 NuggzTheNinja wrote:
If you're using Daemon Princes you're better off using a CSM Daemon Prince and just Black Macing it.

Mace princes are good,but there's always the risk you roll 1 and then get smashed to death by the Riptide who is now hittting on 3+. I was describing a situation where enfeeble smash would be likely to happen but more as a byproduct of list building (spamming biomancy princes) than as a deliberate combo your aiming for.