Are there really orks in other galaxies?

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**walkertreat**

I've heard other people say something about a pre-hersey probe getting transmissions of extra-galatik orks. I was mostly wondering if its actaul canon or not.

**Formosa**

Yep it's true, it was a probe from either the dark.age or nowa days

**walkertreat**

Well that's cool. Where can I read it? Is it on the wiki or lexicanum?

**Formosa**

Try either, it was in a white dwarf and 3/4th codex I.think

**Animus**

The probe was not actually said to have gone to another galaxy.
Since it would lack psychic communication, it also couldn't be that far away to still receive a signal.

**Skarnir**

I do believe that piece of fluff text you are on about is in the 3rd ed ork codex(I could be wrong here)
It pretty much goes something along the lines of a probe that was sent out many mellenia ago that keeps sending back signals, and every where it goes the orks are already there.
This is still canon.

**Johnnytorrance**

If it's from current present time it wouldn't be another galaxy. Considering that the Voyager units are going to reach 1 light year distance in about 40,000 years

**Skarnir**

Animus wrote:
The probe was not actually said to have gone to another galaxy.
Since it would lack psychic communication, it also couldn't be that far away to still receive a signal.

In fact if you look at page 201 of the 6th edition rule book, you will find that the first paragraph is pretty much the "probe" text re-written.

It states
"Orks are a barbaric alien race that infest the galaxy from end
to end. no matter how far Mankind has traveled, from the
galactic core to the blackest depths of deep space, they have
found that orks are either already there waiting for them or
will be arriving there soon to launch their characteristic attacks."

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Johnnytorrance wrote:
If it's from current present time it wouldn't be another galaxy. Considering that the Voyager units are going to reach 1 light year distance in about 40,000 years

I think you are confused my friend, by current time he means M41 in the warhammer 40k universe.

**Formosa**

And that's assuming it's not a probe going ftl

**Skarnir**

Formosa wrote:
And that's assuming it's not a probe going ftl

I would assume it being the grim darkness of the far future, that
the probe probably travels in the warp to a galaxy, scans it, jumps
back into the warp and then sends a signal as it heads to the next one.

**Psienesis**

A probe could not pack a Gellar Field Generator and a Warp Drive and an Impulse Drive and a Navigator and an Astropath.

It could, however, pack an ion-drive that, over the course of 1000 years, uses raw thrust to accelerate it to light speed (space has no friction or drag, velocity is continual).

**Poly Ranger**

Unless the probe was created in the dark age of technology... then we have no idea as to its advanced capabilities...

**Psienesis**

Even in the DAoT they required Navigators. It is, in fact, where the Navigator Gene originates.

**Skarnir**

Psienesis wrote:
Even in the DAoT they required Navigators. It is, in fact, where the Navigator Gene originates.

At this stage we are arguing over how long a piece of string is, we
are merely told that the probe is capable of traveling from system to
system, and those it has traveled to so far either have a current Ork
presence or will soon have one.

Minor details as to how big the probe is and what systems it has
are not mentioned, so I see no point in arguing what is already canon in the game.

Also i find the DAoT a reasonable concept for the probes tech.

**doktor_g**

Ork blood = The Force.

It surrounds us. Flows through us it does. In that rock. That tree. That snotling.

**Mr Morden**

Psienesis wrote:
A probe could not pack a Gellar Field Generator and a Warp Drive and an Impulse Drive and a Navigator and an Astropath.

It could, however, pack an ion-drive that, over the course of 1000 years, uses raw thrust to accelerate it to light speed (space has no friction or drag, velocity is continual).

If its a Adeptus Mechanicus style probe it could be 3 or more miles long and contain all that good stuff and more..........

Look at the ship in Stargate: Universe (not a very good show but that's not a small ship)

**Harriticus**

I'm pretty sure that probe reference is still within this galaxy. Don't recall any evidence of Orks in another galaxy, nor any human contact with another galaxy beyond tyranids.

**Pilau Rice**

http://web.archive.org/web/20120505143325/http://www.gamehobby.net/subject_indexes/subject_wh40k_orks.html

Millennia ago, a probe was sent out from Terra. Its mission was to reach the utmost limits of the universe. The Techpriests who built it hoped that one day it would arrive back to its place of origin having circumnavigated the universe, or in other words, skirted the edge of reality. This probe is still sending back signals after fourteen thousand years adrift. The signals are faint and the probe is not yet on its way back, if it ever will come back. To the utter despair of the Imperial Techpriests who constantly monitor the incoming signals, many are identified as Orkish. The depressing conclusion for mankind can only be this: that wherever they go, the Orks will always be with them.

**Mellow**

Definitely not Voyager probes then due to it being constructed by tech priests.

I think it would hint that the Old Ones also were an extra galactic species as they created the Orks, right?

**TiamatRoar**

They created the orks millions of years ago, so it's possible the orks simply travelled outside the galaxy after the old ones had already passed away.

**Lord Castellan**

But the Universe is upwards of 20 billion light years, with no edge...

**Psienesis**

And? They didn't start from the galactic core, and FTL travel is a thing that exists in 40K.

**chaos0xomega**

FTL is a thing that exists only within the context of the Warp and the webway. Once upon a time, Necrons were able to travel FTL in realspace, but that has since been retconned. Official fluff actually states that the warp becomes an impassable void at the edge of the galaxy, thus meaning that FTL travel beyond the edge of the galaxy is not possible. Additionally, FTL communication is NOT a thing in the 40k galaxy, they need astropaths for that, remember? Given that, it means that the signals that are being received after 14k years of travel are not originating in the 'present time' but are from 'the past' and likely originated within the galaxy.

**Psienesis**

chaos0xomega wrote:
FTL is a thing that exists only within the context of the Warp and the webway. Once upon a time, Necrons were able to travel FTL in realspace, but that has since been retconned. Official fluff actually states that the warp becomes an impassable void at the edge of the galaxy, thus meaning that FTL travel beyond the edge of the galaxy is not possible. Additionally, FTL communication is NOT a thing in the 40k galaxy, they need astropaths for that, remember? Given that, it means that the signals that are being received after 14k years of travel are not originating in the 'present time' but are from 'the past' and likely originated within the galaxy.

Not exactly. You can reach FTL with enough thrust over a long enough period of time. If you have an engine, let's say a bog-standard plasma drive, as long as you have the gas pedal pressed down, you will eventually reach the speed of light, because there is not enough "drag" in space to arrest your velocity. Barring, of course, running into something... but space is really, really big and really, really empty.

The reason that no races do this is because taking 3500 years to go from 0 to Warp 1 is a really, really long fething time.

**KamikazeCanuck**

There isn't orks in another Galaxy. They're just saying even on the very fringes of this Galaxy there are still orks there. There's big difference between deep space and another galaxy.

**rowenstin**

Psienesis wrote:

Not exactly. You can reach FTL with enough thrust over a long enough period of time. If you have an engine, let's say a bog-standard plasma drive, as long as you have the gas pedal pressed down, you will eventually reach the speed of light, because there is not enough "drag" in space to arrest your velocity. Barring, of course, running into something... but space is really, really big and really, really empty.

The reason that no races do this is because taking 3500 years to go from 0 to Warp 1 is a really, really long fething time.

Er, no, you can't do that. Light speed is the unreachable upper limit under our current knowledge of physics, since it requires an infinite amount of energy to reach. You can get close to that, but not over.

**Furyou Miko**

You only need a navigator for warp travel if you're trying to go somewhere specific.

You only need a gellar field to protect people.

I doubt the daemons would be all that interested in a hunk of metal bobbing on by. Space Hulks pop out of the warp still fairly functional, after all, just... sans crew.

**machineuk**

It is also not just a case of 'keeping your foot on the gas', the faster you go the more energy you require to accelerate futher, as your mass increases.

little equation called E=mc^2, you may of heard of it.

with enough thrust you could get close to the speed of light, but not reach it.
Definitely can't exceed it to reach FTL speeds without a major rewrite of the laws of physics.
The 40k universe may play fast and lose with some laws of physics, but if you read descriptions of space battles and out of warp travel, it is clear that relativistic physics still applies.

**jakejackjake**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
There isn't orks in another Galaxy. They're just saying even on the very fringes of this Galaxy there are still orks there. There's big difference between deep space and another galaxy.

You know this how? Oh wait thats right you don't! Even if the quote isn't saying there is I'd Imagine that neither Tyranids or the Orks stop at the edge of the galaxy. Why would you even want to believe they did?

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machineuk wrote:
It is also not just a case of 'keeping your foot on the gas', the faster you go the more energy you require to accelerate futher, as your mass increases.

little equation called E=mc^2, you may of heard of it.

with enough thrust you could get close to the speed of light, but not reach it.
Definitely can't exceed it to reach FTL speeds without a major rewrite of the laws of physics.
The 40k universe may play fast and lose with some laws of physics, but if you read descriptions of space battles and out of warp travel, it is clear that relativistic physics still applies.

Real world physics to explain why something you don't want to happen in 40k isn't happening...... We don't have all the information. You don't need a navigator if it doesn't matter where you end up. All of the reasons the probe couldn't leave the galaxy that have been mentioned so far can be countered so easily.

**Furyou Miko**

jakejackjake wrote:

Real world physics to explain why something you don't want to happen in 40k isn't happening...... We don't have all the information. You don't need a navigator if it doesn't matter where you end up. All of the reasons the probe couldn't leave the galaxy that have been mentioned so far can be countered so easily.

Except for the one about the Warp simply stopping once you hit dark space.

Which kind of makes sense, since the Warp is the realm of emotion and the reflection of souls - no more souls, no more warp - but then that falls apart when you realise that the people going out past the edge would take their own little bubble of warp with them... or the alternative is that the warp is just empty and therefore calm and safe to travel in outside the galaxy.

Plus, I don't actually know a reference for that idea, so...