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Hey there, I'm new to W40k, I've played a few games and I am pretty familiar with the ruleset now (after many hours of sitting there reading the rulebook) and have bought some Dark Angels as I thought they would be a good starting point. My cash income isn't great at the moment due to other commitments so I was wondering whether you guys would be able to help me build a list that is at least hold its own.
Also to admins, I'm sorry if I have posted this into the wrong place, I wasn't sure whether it went into general discussion or here.
What I have is;

HQ

Azrael X1
Company Commander X2 (Dark vengeance and Assault on Black reach)
Librarian X1 (Dark Vengeance)

Troops

4 Scouts with snipers
1 Scout with Missile Launcher
1 Space Marine Sergeant with Plasma Pistol (Dark Vengeance)
1 Space Marine Sergeant with no wargear (Assault on Black Reach)
1 Flamer Marine
1 Plasma Gun Marine
1 Missile Launcher Marine
1 Plasma Cannon Marine
20 Bolgun Marines


Elites
5 Deathwing Knights (one with flail)
1 Deathwing Terminator with Cyclone Missile Launcher
1 Deathwing Terminator with Assault Cannon
4 Deathwing Sergeants
3 Deathwing Terminators with Chainfists
10 Deathwing Terminators with power fists and storm bolters
Dreadnought with Multi-melta and Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon

Fast Attack

3 Ravenwing Bikers (One with Plasma gun) (Dark Vengeance)
1 Nephilim Jetfighter

Transports

1 Rhino

Oh boy... Where to start with this one..
Firstly, your formatting isn't really readable.
Take a look around, most people format their list more like this

1 Tactical Squad x 10
- Missile Launcher
- Plasma Gun
- Vet Sergeant with Plasma Pistol/Chainsword

Next, I don't think your list is legal.
For the most part, stick to 2 HQ choices max with at least 2 troops.

Then, with DA, you should basically ignore Greens unless you focus on them with the Banner of Devastation. Otherwise you could play normal SM and have better tools.
This then leads to picking either Deathwing, Ravenwing or a mix of both.
Your list does not only not hold its own, it is pretty bad. But don't fret, thats mostly due to your not yet existing experience.
If you have the DV set, grab it as is and play a few games - you will get more of a feel for what might work with every game you play. Think on your choices and ask yourself: How does this unit follow the strategy that I plan to implement? Do I have adequate tools for handling different threats? Is this unit worth the point costs?

Take a look around the army list forum, there are some good lists, some bad lists and, with some games under your belt, read the critique offered.

Haha sorry, this isn't the list, this is just a list of what I have available, maybe I should have mentioned that, sorry.
I was going to go down the whole Deathwing route, buying Belial and then maybe in the future some Land Raiders. But I've been reading round that Deathwing doesn't really do that well.

 Thairne wrote:
Oh boy... Where to start with this one..
Firstly, your formatting isn't really readable.
Take a look around, most people format their list more like this

1 Tactical Squad x 10
- Missile Launcher
- Plasma Gun
- Vet Sergeant with Plasma Pistol/Chainsword

Next, I don't think your list is legal.
For the most part, stick to 2 HQ choices max with at least 2 troops.

Then, with DA, you should basically ignore Greens unless you focus on them with the Banner of Devastation. Otherwise you could play normal SM and have better tools.
This then leads to picking either Deathwing, Ravenwing or a mix of both.
Your list does not only not hold its own, it is pretty bad. But don't fret, thats mostly due to your not yet existing experience.
If you have the DV set, grab it as is and play a few games - you will get more of a feel for what might work with every game you play. Think on your choices and ask yourself: How does this unit follow the strategy that I plan to implement? Do I have adequate tools for handling different threats? Is this unit worth the point costs?

Take a look around the army list forum, there are some good lists, some bad lists and, with some games under your belt, read the critique offered.

He didnt post an army list he was posting what he has to make a list from........

what make the dark angels special are the DW and RW. Without that they are poorly equiped space marines(with stubborn). You should play to those strengths and sadly DW lists are not as strong as they once were due to the mass of AP2 weapons out there now. If you had landraiders i would say fill them up with terminators and go for it due to your lack of bikes but a list that holds its own against what is currently out there will include IMO 2 squads of bikes(mainly black knights). On the other hand DW may get it handed to them often they are fun to play and when things go right they really go right. Building a list off of that since you have lots of terms would be the way to go. Just make a custom belial from your terminators

Okay, so sort out a Belial, then get a couple of bike squads, and im guessing use the bikes' homing relays to deep strike in? My only problem at the moment is in my games of around 1000-1250 points I have been using Azrael and a tac squad, a couple of termie squads and a bike squad to home them in. Its done well in the first 2 turns but then it all goes wrong as they all start to die. (Especially to centurions, I hate those things). So any ideas on what I can do with that without having to fork out the hundreds of pounds on Land Raiders which is looking pretty inevitable now? :/

Hay buddy a good place to start would be to say what your normal points is as that will very much limit what you can and cant take. now my 1st piece of advice with marines is never to paint them in a chapter colours paint them in your own style, why because it means you can use any of the marine books as you like. I find myself choping and changing as a go along and can play from every codex going which give me the flexibility to play many types of lists without have to shell out to much funds. However, dark angels and there like, It depends what level your trying to play at. for pickup games the codex is solid you can do well with deathwing or many other types of lists however for tournament play its a bit more limiting. for that i think you need to use the bolter banner AKA the standard of devastation can make a very good list. there are a few different ways to run that such as with ravenwing, larndraider crusaders and power field gens or drop pods so let me know what your interested in and i will try to help. other then that to get better find the best players in your area and idly tournament players and ask them to point out your mistakes and talk you through what you do wrong its the best way to improve so good luck ;-).

Quick side note on land riaders my FLGS is selling them at 30% off http://www.4tk.co.uk/store/department/11/Warhammer-40K/

Thankyou, I was looking into the 3 Land Raider with Banner of Devastation thing before, but right now I don't really have the funds to pay for them. So I was wanting to build a 1250 or 1500 list with the models I have that won't get absolutely trounced. I'm not the best player as I'm new but I haven't lost yet so I'm guessing I'm not as bad as I make out sometimes...but my list making sucks, it's my main problem, I'd quite happily pay for a belial as he is only like what? £15? But i can't cough up for a Raider yet and was hoping to at least have a list or two that I can practise with. Most people at my local GW do play 1500.

I would not go with Belial and Azreal together your paying points for deathwing as troop 2 times give me a few mins and I will work on someting


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Right then a starting point with what you have would be

Azrial
LIbby (lvl 2 and powerfield gen)

10x Tac squad witg Plasma gun/Plasma Cannon in a Rhino
10x Tac Squad with Flamer/Missile Luncher in a Rhino

5 Dethwing with 1x Assult cannon 1x Chainfist
5 Dethwing with 1x Cyclone 1x Chainfist

3 ravenwing with Plasmagun

5x scouts with 4x snipers 1x missile luncher and camo

thats 1425 and is were i would start i would use the Rino as screens and have Az/Lin walking behind in a combat squad tac squad

Yeah I wasn't really planning on running them together, I just thought I might as well get Belial since although Azrael lets me take RW as troops as well as DW, he wouldn't actually have a squad that he fits into as he can't teleport, and he doesn't have a bike.

Im just not a fan of Belial just dont think he is that good Azrial is solid bring a lot more to the list - In the long run deathwing on there own just have to many limiting factors to make a good list better to run a mixed lists