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I had a game the other day against tyranids i play chaos i got my ass kicked.

I was told before hand that if i had a heldrake then it wouldve have been killed very quickly by the flying tyranid beast. Please someone explain why?

After some thinking havocs would be effective against it because of skyfire. based on experience what else is good against flying tyranids.

Also can a Defiler fire more than one weapon in a turn such as the battle cannon and the reaper cannon or just one?

thehitpack wrote:
I was told before hand that if i had a heldrake then it wouldve have been killed very quickly by the flying tyranid beast. Please someone explain why?

I'll leave the Tyranid players to answer that.

After some thinking havocs would be effective against it because of skyfire. based on experience what else is good against flying tyranids.

Volume of fire works well. Force those grounding tests.

Also can a Defiler fire more than one weapon in a turn such as the battle cannon and the reaper cannon or just one?

If you fire the Battlecannon you'll be snap shooting the rest.

thehitpack wrote:
I was told before hand that if i had a heldrake then it wouldve have been killed very quickly by the flying tyranid beast. Please someone explain why?

Grendel handled the other questions, so I'll speak to this one.
Depends on the flying beast. A Flyrant would do 1-2 hull points a turn. A Crone would average 2 glances and a pen (if it starts close enough to VS).

A flying Hive Tyrant averages slightly over 2 glances and a pen against rear armour.

While rear armor is easier to pen, it's not trivial to get that arc. Between that difficulty and the invul save I was discounting the pen.

is it wrong to have 2 defilers instead of the heldrake in this instance

To put in my 2 cents , its hard to go wrong with an ADL with either option for dealing with flyers.

You do have the Havoc Flakk option but I will be burned at the stake for suggesting it.

A Bloodthirster Vector Striking?

Havocs plus auto cannon, on and ADL quad gun. Puts out high volume of fire, far better than flak missiles.

Really?

4 shots hitting on a 6 is better than 1 shot hitting on a 3?

(Not being sarcastic, i am that gak with maths!)

 Bloodhorror wrote:
4 shots hitting on a 6 is better than 1 shot hitting on a 3?

is this in reference to Nos's suggestion?
The Quadgun has Skyfire and twin-linked (and Interceptor).

Sorry i somehow missed the Quadgun part of that sentence...

I only saw Havocs with Autocannons >.<
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4 auto cannons, with champ on ADL quad gun. Gives you 8 shots jotting on 6s, 4 twin linked skyfire shots and something for the champ to do.

so as an additonal seperate question is the power weapon the chaos lord has a sword or whatever the model has

thehitpack wrote:
so as an additonal seperate question is the power weapon the chaos lord has a sword or whatever the model has

If it says "weapon" then it's whatever the model has.

ok another additonal question. for the aegis defence line the quad gun what is the ballistic skill. is it the bs of the model manning the gun?


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and another additonal question: if a 5 man havoc squad 4 with autoguns and th eother manning the quad gun where firing at a flying unit. could the quad gun go first and then once the flhyer has been grounded can the autguns fire or do there shotrs have to be counted as its flying?

thehitpack wrote:
ok another additonal question. for the aegis defence line the quad gun what is the ballistic skill. is it the bs of the model manning the gun?


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and another additonal question: if a 5 man havoc squad 4 with autoguns and th eother manning the quad gun where firing at a flying unit. could the quad gun go first and then once the flhyer has been grounded can the autguns fire or do there shotrs have to be counted as its flying?

1) BS of the model firing it
2) No, all of a units shooting is simultaneous

This one is super easy, Chaos is not competitive but they do have pros and cons that make them have a better shot.

Escalation of Force, Lord of Skulls, too many points but near unstoppable with the right layout.

Black Legion, Chosen are troop choice but need Veteran. That will bring 5 special weapons in each unit. . .kinda cool.

Heldrake, flyer, he is cheap, volcano strike, and AP3 turret Flamer. . . He is Chaos's only broken unit, making him a must have . You will need to run two as most competitive teams run several AA.

AA, something Chaos really needs. The quad-gun is way better then groups of snapfire, and why not run your havocs with it? Other buildings are good for Stronghold Assault, there you will have better armor, multiple skyfire, and even access to turret flamers.


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Oh, and for the record I did several of the same things. . .

Upgraded Defilers, hoping they would take on a role, but they never did. Upgrade Havocs only to have them targeted first, as they are the only AA. Gone against five monstrous flyers from the Tyranid only to have my DP tied up in CC with fearless Gonts. I also have had the heldrake come in turn 4 almost every time I play. Just unlucky sometimes. . .Sometimes Interceptor kills them before they even lay down a template.

You could try proxying your defiler as a soul grinder.

whats a soul grinder

Chaos daemon engine. Significantly better thana defiler in pretty much every way.

can this be used in normal games im not exactly famliar with forgeworld what is the deal with it?

It isn't forgeworld. Check out the GW website, under chaos daemons.

It involves taking Daemons as allies.

Yes, I ran the Soul Grinder too. It has a power fist and can shoot 3 dice for skyfire. it was a little more AA but its BS3. Allying Daemons give you another DP at generally the same price. OR you could run a herald with a 10 man daemon pack for super cheap.

ah ok great advice guys

I have a minor heldrake question if he vector strikes then he cant use either is flamer or reaper?

thehitpack wrote:
ah ok great advice guys

I have a minor heldrake question if he vector strikes then he cant use either is flamer or reaper?

Normally he could shoot 4 weapons. Vector striking makes it count as having shot 1 , so he could potentially still shoot 3 weapons.
Short version a heldrake doesn't lose any shooting power when VSing

where does it say he can fire four weapons?

Basic Flyer rules

In the flyers rules.
See "Zooming and Shooting"

ok so another question for the aegis line.

the cover save is +4 can the gun emplacment be derstroyed and how