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Hi All, was playing my Deamons agains Tau and obviously wanted to charge the gak out of Tau. However, when I charged some suits my opponent used support fire to fire with a squad of fire warriors that was within 6". Normally this is of course just following the rules, but in this case it was clear that the squad of fire warrior did not have a LoS on my charging unit.

I thought the squad would not be able to overwatch as they do not have LoS, however my opponent stated LoS was not needed as it was not explicitly mentioned in the rules. I would say we would therefore fall back on the 'normal' rules that state LoS is needed for firing.

What are your thoughts??

Short of using something like a Smart Missile System, he cannot fire. He is perfectly free to use up his overwatch opportunity to not fire, but that doesn't get around the fact that actually firing will require LoS.

Minifan,
You will find everyone here in agreement, because it is in the Rules that Line of Sight is required:
Over-watch uses the Shooting Sequence, which contains a requirement that the target be in range and in line of sight. If you have an opponent that states the Overwatch rule does not use the normal shooting sequence, even though it contains instructions to treat it as a normal shooting attack, then point out that they have no ability to Roll to Hit or Roll to Wound or Allocate Wounds and therefore can never remove a model as a Casualty. All of that comes from the same Shooting Sequence that contains the restrictions related to line of sight and weapon range.

Minifan wrote:
Hi All, was playing my Deamons agains Tau and obviously wanted to charge the gak out of Tau. However, when I charged some suits my opponent used support fire to fire with a squad of fire warriors that was within 6". Normally this is of course just following the rules, but in this case it was clear that the squad of fire warrior did not have a LoS on my charging unit.

I thought the squad would not be able to overwatch as they do not have LoS, however my opponent stated LoS was not needed as it was not explicitly mentioned in the rules. I would say we would therefore fall back on the 'normal' rules that state LoS is needed for firing.

What are your thoughts??

For the purposes of supporting fire, if a supporting unit can't see them, it can't overwatch.

I've always wondered about overwatch and terrain though. I've once been charged by daemons through a wall. So, I didn't have LoS and thus couldn't overwatch. But I was confused because it didn't make sense that a unit being charged would not get to wildly fire at daemons running towards them regardless of where they're coming from.

Would I say that the wall is impassable and they have to go round? Or do I just accept that I can't fire at what I'm being charged with if the guy is moving his units through terrain pieces?

The Daemons need at least one model to have LoS to you, or they can't charge (p20 - Declare Charge). So you'd have at least one model able to Overwatch.

Not necessarily from the supporting squad though.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Not necessarily from the supporting squad though.

Quite right: My post was in response to Sonicaucie, who sounded like his example was not about Supporting Fire. Given that the thread is about Supporting Fire, I definitely should have been clearer.