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Hi guys, as I wrote in topic: tournament is in upcomming weekend and I would be very appriciated or any advices about this list:

HQ

=>Daemon Prince 215 pts
MoS, wings, power armour

TROOPS

=>15 Cultsts 70

=>15 Cultsts 70

ELITES

=>7 Plague Marines 188 pts
2 melta's

HEAVY SUPPORT

=>2 obliterators with MoN 156

=>2 obliterators with MoN 156

=>2 obliterators with MoN 156

I'm afraid that the major drawback of this list (at least I think so) is prince - he can be easly single out and die. So maybe I should add something for target saturation, something that could support prince..... or maybe I should drop the prince and add a sorcerer or chaos lord with MoN to change plague marines into troops..... or maybe everything is fine. What do you thing guys?

Seems okay. You're right about the prince though... Even so I'd be more worried about the Plague Marines - unless you want to walk those meltas up I'd be getting a rhino. Then a) they done get shot to :beep: and b) they'll get to pod some armour before they've wrecked your army.

Oblits are definitely a good choice as are the cultists if you're just going to hand back.

I'd consider ditching the prince for a rhino and a lord w MoN (make the marines troops) and what ever other kit you want to give him.

Hope that helps

Good point Brother Payne

By droping DP I will get 215 points. So I can take:

=> chaos lord 80 pts
Mon

=> Rhino for PM 35 pts

I have 100 pts left. I was thinking about three options:

-get lord "full metal jacket"

-adding 5 raptors and give them 2 meltas (taken away from PM)

-droping 1 obliterator (76pts, so I wll have 176 points to spend) and adding helldrake with baleflamer (170pts)

What do you thing, which option will fit hier?

Well, the Cultists may run away if decimated. A Rhino may give your opponent first blood.

Giving them first blood is better than feeding him all your troops. With all the Oblits, the rhino should be ok - just make sure you play the los/cover game!

Regarding that extra 100pts, dropping one of the Oblits for a helturkey isn't a bad idea. Of the three that's what I'd be going with.

+++ 1K Death Guard (973pts) +++
+++ 1000pt Chaos Space Marines 6th Ed (2012) by SN Roster (Primary Detachment)) +++

Selections:

Chaos Space Marines 6th Ed (2012) by SN (Primary Detachment) Selections:

+ HQ + (192pts)

* Chaos Lord (192pts)
(Champion of Chaos, Fearless, Independent Character)
Blight grenades, Gift of mutation, Mark of Nurgle, Sigil of corruption, Veterans of the Long War
* Terminator Armour
Lightning Claw, Power Fist


+ Elites + (208pts)

* Chaos Terminators (208pts)
(Deep Strike)
Mark of Nurgle
* Terminator
Combi-melta, -flamer, -plasma
* Terminator
Combi-melta, -flamer, -plasma
* Terminator
Combi-melta, -flamer, -plasma
* Terminator
Combi-melta, -flamer, -plasma
* Terminator Champion
Combi-flamer, -melta, or plasma, Power Weapon


+ Troops + (336pts)

* Plague Marines (Troops) (168pts)
(Fearless, Feel No Pain, Mark of Nurgle)
6x Plague Marine
* Plague Champion
Bolt Pistol, CCW


* Plague Marines (Troops) (168pts)
(Fearless, Feel No Pain, Mark of Nurgle)
6x Plague Marine
* Plague Champion
Bolt Pistol, CCW


+ Heavy Support + (237pts)

* Obliterators (237pts)
(Bulky, Daemon, Deep Strike, Obliterator Weapons, Slow and Purposeful)
Mark of Nurgle, 3x Obliterator, Veteran of The Long War

This how i run DEATH GUARD at 1k it. Works very well quite effective ran this list vs world eaters (tabled) and vs eldar(900pts in casualties inflicted only lost 3 plague marines)

Hope this helps

Ku'gath yout list looks solid but I just dont have that many plague models :( But adding a terminator squad is a good option for me (I have 5 models), I need to think about it carefully because my terminators usually die totally and they not always earn their points....

So now I have 4 options:

-get lord "full metal jacket"

-adding 5 raptors and give them 2 meltas (taken away from PM)

-droping 1 obliterator (76pts, so I wll have 176 points to spend) and adding helldrake with baleflamer (170pts)

-drop 2 oblits and take terminator squad+add some gear for lord

Personally I was thinking seriously about: helldrake with baleflamer or terminators.... what do you think guys, which option is the best?

I figured out new list regarding your advices, this one is wit terminator option;

HQ

=>Chaos lord 130
MoN, sigil o corruption, power fist

TROOPS

=>7 Plague Marines 223 pts
2 melta's, rhino

=>10 Cultsts 50

=>15 Cultsts 70

ELITES

=>5 Terminators 222
MoN, heavy flamer,power fist (for champion), 3xcombi-melta

HEAVY SUPPORT

=>2 obliterators with MoN 152

=>2 obliterators with MoN 152

Total cost: 999

Any suggestions?

What you've got there is pretty damn solid, however I really think the the heldrake might be a good thing to get.

It would not only give your army a terror weapon but as far as I can see would be the only thing you'd have the in way of anit aircraft.

Also, are you going to put the lord with terminators or the PM as, IMO you'll get more out of him if he's with the termies, meaning they have similar stats, the termies being 2+/5++ and the lord being 3+/4++ and having a nice mixture of power fists and swords..

Depending on what your opponent is using though, if they use lots of high strength high AP weapons then making the termies tzeentch migh be a good idea, as T5 doesn't help much against a S9 ap2 shot when it only has one wound. A 4++ would help that out a lot.


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So basically, I think that you've got your list down pretty well, aside from maybe a hell drake or something for some AA

My two recommendations would be:
1) to drop the Power Fist from the Chaos Lord. Give him a Lightning Claw instead. He's I5, so lowering him to I1 is a bad idea. The Black Mace is a decent option as well.
2) Get a Bakedrake into your list. They are guaranteed to make a difference in your game.

OK helldrake with baleflamer cost 170 pts, what are your suggestions about dropping stuff to make place for him? I can't many options..... I don't want to drop more oblits - 2 squad of two should act nice. I tried to squize some points from other squads, take a look on this, and tell me what you think:

HQ

=>Chaos lord 130
MoN, sigil of corruption, power fist

TROOPS

=>6 Plague Marines 199 pts
2 melta's, rhino

=>18 Cultsts 82

ELITES

=>3 Terminators 115
power fist (for champion), 2xcombi-melta

HEAVY SUPPORT

=>2 obliterators with MoN 152

=>2 obliterators with MoN 152

FAST ATTACK

=>helldrake 170
baleflamer

Total cost: 1000

I'm feel I lack something, maybe I should drop termies totally and make my squads bigger or take instead of them raptors with 2 meltas?

I always feel that at 1000 points our codex struggles a lot, since our best options are usually the most expensive ones, and it becomes hard to fit something to counter most kind of threats.

In general you need at least on unit able to:
- Kill troops fast and efficiently
- Lock in CC the deadliest ranged enemy units (the unit must be FAST and TOUGH)
- Protect your own shooting units
- Protect you from flyers
- Threat vehicles
- Protect objectives

I tried a couple of times the following list and I feel it is able to cover all the above points. I know you don't have the models to play this list, my suggestion is to just try and find something similar when you don't have models.

HQ:
Chaos Lord, 165 pts - Bike, MoN, Power Fist, Lightning Claw, Sigil of Corruption

TROOPS:
6 Plague Marines, 174 pts - 2 Plasma Guns
6 Plague Marines, 154 pts - 2 Flamethrowers

FAST:
Heldrake, 170 pts
5 Chaos Spawns, 180 pts - Mark of Nurgle (the Lord goes here)

HEAVY:
2 Obliterators, 152 pts - Mark of Nurgle


PS: Another very good option, since you were talking about cultists, is to use Typhus and a HORDE of Plague Zombies. Play 3 units of 35 zombies and let's see who can kill them all with just 1000 points!

Taking Plague Marines as elites really blows, because they are really unthreatening with their dinky bolters. You take them for their durability, and for what, 2 more rounds of firing bolters? No, for scoring.

Thanks for all advices gus it really helped me a lot Tournament is tomorrow and below is my final list, I own you that for all those advices

HQ

=>Chaos lord 150
MoN, sigil of corruption, black mace

TROOPS

=>6 Plague Marines 199
2 melta's, Rhino

=>10 Cultists 50

FAST ATTACK

=> 5 Raptors 125
2 flamers, MoN, blight granades for champion

=>Heldrake 170
baleflamer

Heavy support

=>2 Obliterators 152
MoN

=>2 Obliterators 152
MoN

Total cost: 998