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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:17:01
Subject: Should I still be playing him?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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This applies to my brother. Every game we play, if I win, he accuses me of cheating, using an OP army, or having an unfair advantage as a result of the battle mission we play, or on the table. I have recorded a tally of every game we've played since the start of the year, and I've won all 6. His complaint in WHFB games is that I play as Skaven, and he plays Orcs and Goblins. In 40k, I play as non-competitive Ultramarines, whilst he plays as Orks and Tau. In the first game we played, we rolled up Surprise Attack from the Battle Missions book. I start deployment surrounding him, so he claimed unfairness, even though we had both agreed to roll on the Battle Missions book. In both WHFB games, he declared I only won because of Skaven OP-ness, but in the 40k games we have played, and I still win, he claims I cheat! Which I utterly oppose and hate cheating to gain an advantage in a toy soldiers game. It takes all fun out of playing, which is ultimately what I want. Advice?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:28:18
Subject: Re:Should I still be playing him?
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Slaanesh Havoc with Blastmaster
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TBF, i have a mate who I play at least once a week, he plays very competitive lists, I've come close to beating him, but never have.
It doesn't bother me, I play for fun, for the social aspect, and to have a couple of beer along the way!
If he says its unfair, do what we do, each week change something just to make it interesting, for instance:
- each time you play, each declare one unit type your opponent cannot use e.g. (My friend plays chaos, his main troop choice is Nurgle marines, so for one game, no nurgle marines!) - this forces you to think about what other units are in the book, that you don't normally play, sometimes you find a little gem that you've always underrated.
You could also try
- try setting a handicap? for instance 5% of overall points, if you still win, next game, handicap 10% - this way, you start finding what is more competitive in your codex and he might pick up a win or two on the way (I've not tried this but maybe you could)
- let him pick the battle missions and deployment map? that way he makes the choice over the game type, if you still win, he cannot say you picked something against him
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:31:07
Subject: Should I still be playing him?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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"he accuses me of cheating"
Nope.
At this point ether sit him down and talk it out, or take em to a FLG or something and have him play pick up games
hopefully he will come to some sort of realization.
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:54:40
Subject: Should I still be playing him?
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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If he's just blaming you for "cheating" in general and has absolutely no specific claim or evidence then he's probably just a sore loser.
Unless a person is just completely beyond help, you can usually walk them through what you're doing each turn if they don't know the rules or are accusing you of cheating for no reason. Prove to him you're doing nothing wrong if he's still whining about you being a cheater then it's probably your brotherly duty to set his butt straight.
The other thing you could do is play a super fluffy list and maybe even knock a few points off to give him an advantage (with him knowing or without, your call) and let him win a game or two to at least ease the tension.
When sitting down to play a game with friends/relatives (basically all I do in 40k) it should be all about fun, and no matter how badly you get your butt kicked you should be able to shrug it off and move on. It's not like you lost a tournament for money or your mom's soul or something.
If you don't mind me asking, how old is your brother? This seems like the kind of thing that would come from a teenage kid or younger... Call of Duty has ruined them all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 16:58:03
Subject: Should I still be playing him?
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Confessor Of Sins
WA, USA
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Also, just to get the full story here, why is he accusing you of cheating? What is he pointing out as an example of cheating?
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Ouze wrote:
Afterward, Curran killed a guy in the parking lot with a trident.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 17:19:09
Subject: Re:Should I still be playing him?
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Cackling Daemonic Dreadnought of Tzeentch
Ellenton, Florida
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Try switching armies for a game. No tailoring. Nothing like that. You just swap the lists which you ordinarily use.
If you're feeling particularly confident, let him pick the mission. Even agree to use the same dice.
Then beat him down with his own army.
No more whining allowed after that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 18:03:23
Subject: Re:Should I still be playing him?
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Dakka Veteran
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Chaos Legionnaire wrote:Try switching armies for a game. No tailoring. Nothing like that. You just swap the lists which you ordinarily use.
This
I remember first starting, and I was consistently loosing with my dark angels. One of the other players switched armies with me for a game, I ran his nid's and he used my DA. Not only was it fun to try a different army for a change, but helped me see how someone else would run my own army and pick up tactics from that.
As far as cheating goes: He's just lashing out. he's frustrated at always loosing. Take him to an LGS, let him play some other people. Expand his horizons. And straight out tell him. To speak up during the game if he doesn't think your doing something right, so you can check the BRB.
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I like to say I have two armies: Necrons, and Imperium.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 18:07:44
Subject: Should I still be playing him?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Give him a dictionary and have him look up the word 'cheat'.
Or swap armies. Or if he really is always losing, let him win sometimes. Games are not fun if you are always losing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 18:17:12
Subject: Should I still be playing him?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Odds are he's not worth playing against.
If you want, try and play a game where he gets to pick everything. Like, show up with your lists at the table, and then, right before you start, tell him that he can pick the mission and deployment, and can set up the terrain and choose what side he wants, and can choose night fighting or no, and can just decide if he wants to go first or second. Just don't tell him beforehand so that he can tailor his list for it.
In this way, you eliminate all of those little things he could possibly be complaining about.
But if what he's getting whiny and angry about are the results of random die rolls, then he's going to have that problem with everything with 40k. My guess is that "I didn't get the mission I wanted!" will quickly be replaced with "I can't believe my meltaguns missed! You're SO lucky!"
People who can't handle randomness, failure, or failure as the result of nothing other than randomness probably shouldn't play 40k.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/21 18:30:07
Subject: Should I still be playing him?
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Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine
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My younger brother always does this so we swapped armies (i still won) then i sat him down and we talked about new units and strategy's. He now beats me on occasions and the games are more fun and there is a lot less whinging involved
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