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The small village of Shingo in Japan's Aomori Prefecture is known not only for its cattle ranches and yam production, but thanks to one rogue cosmoarcheologist the village is also home to the supposed Tomb of Jesus Christ.
According to apocryphal religious writings known as the Takenouchi Documents, it was not Jesus who was crucified on that bloody Golgotha, but in fact it was his younger brother, Isukiri. After being captured by the Romans, it is said that Jesus escaped by switching places with his younger brother, taking only a lock of the Virgin Mary's hair and one of his brother's ears while he fled to Japan. After settling down in Shingo, Jesus is said to have had three children with a local woman before dying of natural causes at the age of 106. It is even believed that many of the village's current inhabitants are the descendants of that holy blood.
It appears that the Takenouchi Documents, (found in 1936 and conveniently destroyed during World War II) were the work of cosmoarcheologist Wado Kosaka who would later gain fame by attempting to contact aliens on live television. A reproduction of the documents is on display at the nearby Jesus museum, yet the work is still thought to be a hoax. Despite how outlandish the story seems, many believers point to variations in speech, custom, and even eye color in the villagers of Shingo as evidence of Jesus' Anglo-Christian influence among the people.
The Tomb of Jesus Christ itself sits atop a hill and is an actual burial mound with a large cross sticking out of the top. Next to it, another, nearly identical mound is said to hold Isukiri's ear and the Virgin Mary's lock of hair.
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No no, Jesus is buried in Brownsville. His brother Paco is buried in Japan.
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Okay. Playing devils advocate with this story being true it leads me to a few questions:
1. If it wasn't Jesus who was crucified, why put a cross on his supposed burial mound? Shouldn't his symbol be something else? Like an ear? Or a chicken? Perhaps a goat to represent poor Isukiri.
2. If Jesus fled from his prearranged martyrdom, wouldn't god be upset? Wasn't that the whole point of sending Jesus to earth in the first place?
3. If Jesus defied god's plans and ran away, leaving his brother to be hoisted up on a plank of wood, why make a shrine in the first place? Do people worship cowardly gods now?
DarkTraveler777 wrote: 2. If Jesus fled from his prearranged martyrdom, wouldn't god be upset?
Why ? Why the bloody hell would it ? Do God behavior in the Old Testament seem in any way rational to you ? Basically, everything goes. God would be a eccentric, and by eccentric, I mean a bat-gak crazy lunatic.
DarkTraveler777 wrote: Wasn't that the whole point of sending Jesus to earth in the first place?
Mess up with everyone's mind ? Start a bunch of Holy Wars ?
I am pretty sure they do, given their tendency to fight to defend gods that are supposedly all-knowing and all-powerful, and yet still relies on mortals killing other mortals to enforce their laws.
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There are enough pieces of the true cross to make a ship.
Joesph of Arimethea was buried in England etc etc.
It is not at all uncommon for people to want to add a national connection to a foreign faith that is taking a hold.
No one, or almost no one, gets 'upset' about the Glastonbury myths, they are part of national culture. Japan can do this too, it doesnt effect religion as such, its just folklore.
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It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
He is the son of god. He rode lightning, or an unicorn, for all we know.
I mean, how did kangaroo went to Noah's Arch ? Those did not have godly powers to help them.
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There are several places around the world where people claim Jesus traveled to after his supposed Cruxifiction.
The origin of the belief (in Shingo specifically) is in a series of documents purportedly found in 1933, which were seized by Japanese authorities prior to WWII and since lost. Personally I've never delved too much into the subject matter so I have no idea exactly what is and is not known regarding the tomb.
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Not really any weirder than some of the things that Mormons believe, is it?
Extreme? EXTREME? What you calling me boy? A fanatic? I'll show you! *blows up in righteous fury*
Nah, it's not bad compared to some really stupid stuff they claim about Jesus (Fox News calling Jesus white...*sigh*) I was just using some hyperbole to show how sick I am of these desperate attention grabs. They just keep getting dumber as they have to up the ante to garner more attention from the last debacle.
Hybrid, your passion on this subject is awesome, but may need to be toned down a bit. I think everyone in here is poking fun at this story and no one is seriously defending this lunacy.
DarkTraveler777 wrote: 2. If Jesus fled from his prearranged martyrdom, wouldn't god be upset?
Why ? Why the bloody hell would it ? Do God behavior in the Old Testament seem in any way rational to you ? Basically, everything goes. God would be a eccentric, and by eccentric, I mean a bat-gak crazy lunatic.
Yeah, bat-gak crazy sums up the OT god pretty well, but a plan is a plan regardless if you are a nutter. Even a crazy god with a plan would want to see that plan come to fruition, surely? Jesus mucking that up would have to incur some kind of repercussion, no? I understand you are suggesting that a crazy god is crazy, so logic doesn't apply, but Jesus dying was kinda the point of Jesus being around in the first place so I can't imagine the god in the bible being cool with Jesus taking a rain check on his crucifixion. And isn't the New Testament god generally considered a little more easy going than the OT god? Meaning the NT god should be concerned with this act of rebellion, being the more reasonable of the two testament gods.
I am pretty sure they do, given their tendency to fight to defend gods that are supposedly all-knowing and all-powerful, and yet still relies on mortals killing other mortals to enforce their laws.
No one, or almost no one, gets 'upset' about the Glastonbury myths, they are part of national culture. Japan can do this too, it doesnt effect religion as such, its just folklore.
Great point!
I guess my biggest question is how do these folkloric stories gain traction in the first place--especially when they diverge so sharply from their source material. Like the first person to create this story had to tell it to someone, right? And the story spread, and people burned calories erecting two mounds and building crosses, ect. Now, is it a stretch to assume the people involved in perpetuating this story believed in some form of Christianity and would have to be familiar with the canon Jesus? If so then I wonder why at no point during the construction of this "tomb" did someone go, "What the feth are we doing here? Jesus ran from his crucifixion with some hair and an ear and we are honoring this? Really?! That isn't the son of god that I know!"
Now, the Japanese Jesus story itself isn't any more ridiculous that tales of walking on water or turning water to wine, but at least people can fall back on the institution of Christianity to hand wave those fantastical elements down to a tradition. Samurai Jesus can't make the same claim. At some point it was a brand new story, told to a new audience, and some of those people went, "Yup, that sounds good!"
I find it fascinating what people will believe and why and I am just floored that a story as silly as this got enough of a following to have a monument built.
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Easy E wrote: Can some one fill me in on the Glastonbury Myths?
After people thought he was ended by the Oxygen Destroyer Godzilla swam to Glastonbury and showed the citizens how to make proper tea, thus beginning the love affair with tea in the UK.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Easy E wrote: Can some one fill me in on the Glastonbury Myths?
You guys must be talking about this...
In 1934 artist Katherine Maltwood suggested a landscape zodiac, a map of the stars on a gigantic scale, formed by features in the landscape such as roads, streams and field boundaries, could be found situated around Glastonbury.[47] She held that the "temple" was created by Sumerians about 2700 BC. The idea of a prehistoric landscape zodiac fell into disrepute when two independent studies examined the Glastonbury Zodiac, one by Ian Burrow in 1975 [48] and the other by Tom Williamson and Liz Bellamy in 1983.[49] These both used standard methods of landscape historical research. Both studies concluded that the evidence contradicted the idea of an ancient zodiac. The eye of Capricorn identified by Maltwood was a haystack. The western wing of the Aquarius phoenix was a road laid in 1782 to run around Glastonbury, and older maps dating back to the 1620s show the road had no predecessors. The Cancer boat (not a crab as in conventional western astrology) consists of a network of 18th-century drainage ditches and paths. There are some Neolithic paths preserved in the peat of the bog formerly comprising most of the area, but none of the known paths match the lines of the zodiac features. There is no support for this theory, or for the existence of the "temple" in any form, from conventional archaeologists.[50] Glastonbury is also said to be the centre of several ley lines.[51]
Or that boring Joesph of Aramthea and the Holy Grail stuff. Obviously, the Zodiac is the more important Myth!
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Manchu wrote: Easy E you might also be interested in reading about the Taiping Rebellion.
Suddenly parts of the Guillotines movie makes sense to me...
The Taiping Rebellion was a massive civil war in southern China from 1850 to 1864, against the ruling Manchu-led Qing Dynasty. It was a millenarian movement led by Hong Xiuquan, who announced that he had received visions in which he learned that he was the younger brother of Jesus. At least 20 million people died, mainly civilians, in one of the deadliest military conflicts in history.[4]
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Easy E wrote: Can some one fill me in on the Glastonbury Myths?
Joseph of Arimethea, the largest figure of later Biblical times not already taken, was supposed to have traveled to Britannia with relics spreading the gospel and was buried at Glastonbury. It played a small role in the relic business of the middle ages and entered general folklore of the area, Glastonbury having long been a historically significant area.
In a nutshell Victorians especially didn't like the idea that Jesus wasnt British so the revisionism went full steam ahead, though it long predated the Victorians, most of the myths are medieval. However to their credit it never went beyond folklore, people were not expected to believe it, even amongst the churches.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
DarkTraveler777 wrote: I think everyone in here is poking fun at this story and no one is seriously defending this lunacy.
Yeah, I know. I am just saying it is not in any way more ridiculous than the rest of Christianity .
DarkTraveler777 wrote: Yeah, bat-gak crazy sums up the OT god pretty well, but a plan is a plan regardless if you are a nutter.
Yes. It is just harder to guess the plan of someone who is flying rodent gak crazy. What if it did not care for Jesus dying, it just wanted to see the Crusades and the Inquisition ? Then, its plan worked.
DarkTraveler777 wrote: Jesus mucking that up would have to incur some kind of repercussion, no?
From what I understand of it, it would be like you getting retribution on your own hand because it failed to carry your plan. Jesus is god, remember ? And also he is not. Yet he is.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
At first I was surprised that this surprised many of you. Then I remembered I had lived only 30 miles away from there for 5 years before I learned of it.
I think everyone in here is poking fun at this story and no one is seriously defending this lunacy.
Nah, I would rather support my fantasy vision "Jesus of the Apotheosis". He who was given all the items normally given to the heroes throughout the bible, who then strode into Jerusalem and smote a a score of Romans with every swing of his crook to free the people of the city from tyranny.
Otherwise known as "there may only end up being one true theory, but there's sure a helluva lot of crazy ones".
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