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Like you are fielding an Ultramarines army, can you take Marneus and a Chapter Master as 2nd HQ, or if you are fielding your own chapter, can you take 2 Chapter Masters?

Shouldnt they be 0-1 since it rapes the lore? Then again GW has distanced itself from writing "0-1" in its codices for over eight years now, and using the "(Unique)" tag would still allow a named Chapter Master being fielded alongside a generic CM, although it would at least prevent the 2 generic CM shenanigan.

Sure. I don't think there is a restricted number you can take.

yup, no rules against it IIRC (except if your taking 2 marneus's)

Fluff wise, there are many reasons why people can have 2 Chapter Masters in one Primary Detachment.

Could be Pedro Kantor and the Imperial Fists CM.

Could be Novamarines with Hawk Lords fighting together fighting alongside Deathwatch Company with Inquisitor waiting to push the red button.

Could be a Bad Ass 3rd Company Captain that just happens to be as tough as than their own CM fighting with said CM.

Could be 2 Black Templar Marshalls with both their barges ready to unleash orbital bombardments.

The list goes on...

To the gamer, the HQ slot is called Chapter Master
To the Space Marine on the battlefield, he could be 10th Company Commander Tolkien


-Dert

Yeah, Chapter master doesn't have to mean its an actual Chapter Master. He could simply be a captain with better stats than the average captain.

The White Consuls has two Chapter Masters.

The Forge World Chapter Masters (Carab Culln, Asterion Moloc, Tyberos the Red Wake, Lias Issodon, Malakim Phoros) will prevent you from adding another Chapter Master, named or otherwise, in any of your primary detachments. Allied ones are permitted.

Aenarian wrote:
The Forge World Chapter Masters (Carab Culln, Asterion Moloc, Tyberos the Red Wake, Lias Issodon, Malakim Phoros) will prevent you from adding another Chapter Master, named or otherwise, in any of your primary detachments. Allied ones are permitted.

But that is because they have special rules that specify this to be the case.


There are a Few Chapters that can have multiple Chapter Masters at a given point in time, Iron Hands(and most of their successors) is one of those chapters as well as White Consuls, BT High Marshals, and I believe a couple other chapters I cannot think of right now(*Also many homebrew chapters are likely to have situations with multiple chapter masters).

Generally speaking, it would depend on the Chapter. Usually though, there's a Chapter Master who will have command of the entire Chapter. Then his Captains/Company Masters (if DA) will each command their own company. 1st Company (Veterans) will usually accompany the Chapter Master into battle.

Couldn't you mix in a second chapter with the same tactics (like a successor chapter fighting alongside the original it was split from) into your detachemnt and make the CMs come from different ones?

Mavnas wrote:
Couldn't you mix in a second chapter with the same tactics (like a successor chapter fighting alongside the original it was split from) into your detachemnt and make the CMs come from different ones?

Yep, you could have that.
Like Pedro and Lysander when they grow up and get enough XP to become chapter masters.

Alpha Legion has two Primarchs.

It could be a little nasty in a 2000 point dual force org list to have 4 Chapter Masters throwing pie plates onto the enemy.

Not really, you could have 18 guard artillery pieces at 2000 points. Those pies are coming every turn.

Fedral wrote:It could be a little nasty in a 2000 point dual force org list to have 4 Chapter Masters throwing pie plates onto the enemy.

You mean 6, right?

Don't forget allies.

liturgies of blood wrote:Not really, you could have 18 guard artillery pieces at 2000 points. Those pies are coming every turn.

^This.
I used to get hate for fielding 3 CMs in a 1500pts list
It was fluffy.
But yeah.
3 CMs in a single list is dirty.
A bunch of large blast spewing tanks isn't, according to them.
XD

Edit: Sorry, off topic.
Anyway, nothing stops you fielding multiple generic Chapter Masters at once. (Except a rule mentioned earlier in the thread)

A marine can also step down from the rank of chapter master but not retire/die. You could have a chapter master who no longer officially leads but is still a bad ass and commands a bunch of respect.

 DJGietzen wrote:
A marine can also step down from the rank of chapter master but not retire/die. You could have a chapter master who no longer officially leads but is still a bad ass and commands a bunch of respect.

do you have fluff to back this up?

I thought a former chapter master could only attain the title of "former" if he died in battle.

 Sir Arun wrote:

 DJGietzen wrote:
A marine can also step down from the rank of chapter master but not retire/die. You could have a chapter master who no longer officially leads but is still a bad ass and commands a bunch of respect.

do you have fluff to back this up?

I thought a former chapter master could only attain the title of "former" if he died in battle.

Alternatively if he falls in combat but is too valuable to the chapter, he could be put in a dreadnought sarcophagus. IIRC there are a few examples of that such as Lord Daggan of the Blood Swords (BA Successor) chapter or Ancient Aeneas of the Grey Knights.

To the OP- you could field them that way?

I would say no be unless you have got an army with an attachment of another space marine chapter

 megatombuscus wrote:
I would say no be unless you have got an army with an attachment of another space marine chapter

Maybe (and it really is only a maybe) in fluff terms, but by the rules 2 chapter masters is fine and dandy.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:

There are a Few Chapters that can have multiple Chapter Masters at a given point in time, Iron Hands(and most of their successors) is one of those chapters as well as White Consuls, BT High Marshals, and I believe a couple other chapters I cannot think of right now(*Also many homebrew chapters are likely to have situations with multiple chapter masters).

There's only ever one High Marshal for BT, you're thinking of "normal" Marshals.