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As a CSM player, I wouldn't mind seeing those snowflake chapters with hardly any reason to be outside the main codex shoved right back in.

We can't even get additional codex variations for things that actually are unique. Why is some 'slightly divergent' chapter getting a codex again?

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Absolutely. Theyre not any more divergent than BT was or DA pre 6th. Roll em all in. Wouldnt want GW to look like they were only picking on certain paying Marine customers would we?

Yeah! Chaos already gets that enough as is.

 Vash108 wrote:

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
Why not take and roll Chaos Marines into C:SM as well they are just marines with spikey bits? They only have a few different units and all of their special rules could be covered with a quick blurb. One could roll them into Chaos Deamons book too ...this could be justified by them hanging out with bad things.

You know what, I would love that. Then maybe we would actually see some supplements.

We'd actually have chapter tactics and points costs! Hell as it is CSM are vastly worse to their SM brethren, and several times worse then GH, our 'tactics' is VOTLW, which we pay for, and is specific.

As depressing as it sounds, we could actually run legion/warband tactics...!

Depends, double special weapons are really good, as are the various Marks. I'd argue that CSM are better than Tacticals.

Double special weapons are good, but the lack of ATSKNF, the fact that most marks are very costly, or outright worthless, along with the expense of banners means that they'll suddenly shoot up to a higher cost very fast at an inefficient rate.

SW don't even have tactical squads. Apart from all their special characters, they would need to have Blood Claws, Wolf Guard, Lone Wolfs, Thunderwolf Cavalry and Fenrisian Wolves as special units. Not to mention that the SW have far more special rules than the BA, and even their units that could their units that could be seen as having codex equivalents (Grey Hunters as tact. squad etc.) are a lot more different from codex marines than their BA counterparts.

Grey hunters:

Tactical squad to GH

+CCW
Chapter Tactics: Space Wolf
May take 'Wolf Guard' squad leader
May take two special weapons, one of which is a power weapon.

+2 points.

Blood Claws:

Scout squad:

Replace Wargear and rules.

 alanmckenzie wrote:
Why do people, other than BA players care so much about this? Why are some people so keen to see BA rolled into the vanilla codex?

Seems like the general consensus between BA players (and SW players for that matter) is that we like our own separate codex. So what's the issue here? Honestly, why are people so against us having our own codices?

As a CSM player who never understood why slightly divergent chapters got entire codex's, but chaos which diverges wildly from warband to warband, to world to world. Still is stuck all in one codex. A book of Khorne would FAR be more divergent then a Book of Tzeentch, but hey you don't follow the codex astartes 100% so you get a special snowflake book! Have that special Imperium Star Sticker.

At this point, I'd say it's spite on my end. Why exactly do you deserve a codex to yourself?

Well, you've just answered my question. Spite. Just spite. If you aren't getting your word bearers codex, we can't have our BA and SW books. Nice. Mature. And I like how you think I don't "deserve" my Codex : Blood Angels.

There are several other reasons, namely to avoid clogging the pipeline with very similar releases for example, not to mention the annoying releases of something very similar in style that could all become 'supplements' or stuffed into the main book. Just do like third edition, the SM codex is the main book, with supplemental releases for the others.

You don't, why exactly do you deserve it? I don't deserve my CSM, but people are talking like they 'deserve' it, because they have X or Y and it can't be represented by Z despite being the near exact same.

I agree with you on the CSM codex, I'm starting a Nurgle army myself and would love to see a separate codex for each god. Hopefully the rumours of these supplements to come to fruition.

We've seen the Black Legion supplement.

MarsNZ wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:


Think that's roughly it. Have fun with all those little footnotes you have to add to C:SM's options to get BA to work.

Back in 2nd before Hurricane Ward dumped inches of special snowflakes all over the faction the BA worked just fine with 1-2 special units and a shared codex with DA.

Not like anyone else would've been better, considering all those kits needed a representation in the codex they would've been shoved in anyways.

Remember, the modelers are the ones who make things, then the codex writers have to shove them in somehow (like the dinobots).

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Huh, I didn't know that about Wolfguard. I suppose then, if you rolled them into the main codex, you could just have a CT rule stating that Tactical Terminator squads that allows you to take items from the melee weapons and Vanguard vets to take combi weapons. Then all you'd be losing is the ability to mix PA and TDA.

Probably would be easier to say that our sergeants are unit upgrades can buy TDA and a crapload of weapon options.

But I'll throw in my hat here and say that rolling SW into the C:SM book would be more trouble than it's worth.

Actually you could just have them say

Upgrade to Wolf Guard Sargent: Gain Access to main wargear table here here and here. (Melee, ranged, and terminator)

 Furyou Miko wrote:
What, Andilus, you don't like Imperial Daemon Princes?

I like em, I mean the Saints get away with it after all, do Space Marines not have saints of their own?