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I like the basic yet regal color scheme of the ultramarines. Have any of you ever played your SM using a differnt chapter tactics? Is this considered bad?

I seldom use my Ultramarines Chapter Tactics. I was wondering if at a tourney it would be bad if before the match I state I'm using Iron Fist tactics instead?

I would play with you. At a tournament, you might have problems.

 kronk wrote:
I would play with you. At a tournament, you might have problems.

I'm thinking I should have made my own chapter with my own color combo to say I'm whatever chapter I wanna be

Johnnytorrance wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I would play with you. At a tournament, you might have problems.

I'm thinking I should have made my own chapter with my own color combo to say I'm whatever chapter I wanna be

That absolutely works!

Paint them as Nova Marines. I really like their paint scheme! You can still slap the Ultramarines U symbol on them if you want.

Johnnytorrance wrote:
I like the basic yet regal color scheme of the ultramarines. Have any of you ever played your SM using a differnt chapter tactics? Is this considered bad?

I seldom use my Ultramarines Chapter Tactics. I was wondering if at a tourney it would be bad if before the match I state I'm using Iron Fist tactics instead?

Is Iron Fists a combination of 6+ FNP and Rerolling 1s for Bolters?

Kidding aside, I wouldn't have a problem with it in a friendly game. Tournament wise, there may be problems... Just make it absolutely clear. However, there's no reason you can't use Ultra chapter tactics, those are pretty sweet. It's not like you're a Black Templar player...

Edit: If you haven't painted them yet, it'd be just fine. Any successor chapter probably won't be an issue, as long as it's not an original chapter using anothers tactics. So I'd say no White Scars as Iron Hands, but Storm Lords (WS successor) would be no trouble as any chapter.

Go for it. Paint scheme is not a requirement for WYSIWYG, so if the models are all good to go, and its clearly stated on the army list you hand your opponent and verbally reminded before the game, you shouldn't have a problem.

Just be clear and consistent.

At the end of the day, why does it matter?

Chapter tactics are in the rules for space marines. What difference does the colour of paint and shape of shoulder design matter?

I get tourney rules saying WYSIWYG etc to save from any confusion, but organisers making a rule about HOW you must paint YOUR OWN minis?

In all fairness, I don't think I'd want to play a tourney organised by people like that!

WYSIWYG is good rule for gear and such. But for painting? I don't think so. This woud give people who make their own Chapters an advantage since they can 'switch' who their founding Chapter is on the fly. Give me one good reason I can't use my green/ black marines as Imperial Fists rather than Salamanders if I so desire?

As long as you make clear to your opponent(s) and any tournament organizers what Chapter Tactics you are using I see no reason why your boys in blue can't get the 6+ FNP instead of your once per game abilities. Just my opinion.

Verstaka - that is exactly what I mean!

WYSIWYG for wargear etc....the colour is irrelevant.

The only caveat to the above is an army using Chapter tactics for one chapter then trying to shoe-horn in special characters from another.

It wouldn't be on taking chapter tactics crimson fists, Kantor and then taking tigarius and calgar!

Well see here is the thing... They're YOUR toys! Lol!

You can run them however you want really. I mean unless they're blatantly Ultramarines I don't see why you couldn't just say they're a different Chapter. Now if you're using Sicarius or some named UM character then yeah, you have to run that detachment as UM.

I noticed something neat with my paint scheme though. And if you look you'll probably find the same thing with the other Chapters as well. I went with Sons of Medusa for my chapter, they're using Iron Hands tactics, but there are several other chapters out there that use green as well. I could say my army was Invaders and use Imperial Fists tactics if I want (I think Invaders are IF???) also I could say my army was a Salamanders Company, or any other number of green coloured chapters really!

Also something of note, and I plan to use this later on, Space Marines can ally with other Marines! For example, I plan to add a Black Templar's detachment to my Sons of Medusa army, which will give my mostly ranged Sons some much needed assault support! I'm thinking of grabbing Grimaldus or an Emperors Champion, a mostly full Crusader Squad and a LRC. That's my HQ, 1 required troop and a non FOC heavy tank, a perfect addition to any army really.

You could ally any number of combinations! Take your Ultramarines and throw in some White Scar bikes or a Stormraven full of Raven Guard, you can do whatever you want.

As far as strict adherence to some kind of colour law, that's just silly. I mean, yeah proxy is for playtesting potential buys, but don't let it limit you. If anyone gives you any gruff, take some time to write up a little back story for each chapter you want to switch between. No one can deny you if you put effort into making your army customizable like that.

To me it's the same as magnetizing weapon arms, just with Chapter Tactics...

`The problem with enforcing the "Same CT as what you paint and only that" rule is that you can pretty much say your marines are anything since there is no rule saying that one particular paint scheme belongs to a chapter. "Oh, these aren't Imperial Fists. These are White Scars successors called the Hands of the Imperium". "What? No, these arent Raven Guard. These marines belong to an Imperial Fist successor chapter called the Imperial Raptors".

Frankly if an opponent had a problem with this then I just wouldn't want to play against someone like that.

I'm pretty sure the only restrictions on using specific chapter tactics is if you take named characters. I don't recall reading that a certain paint scheme requires that you follow certain tactics.

But I would talk to your opponent about it so they know.

Tell them you are running the Under Marines, not the Ultramarines. They are a break off of the imperial fists who likedblue more than yellow and stole the same emblem from the ultramarines.
How can they argue with that?

Paint your models however you like, and play using whatever Chapter Tactics you like.

Just make it perfectly clear to your opponent what rules you are using, and make sure to be WYSIWYG.

It doesn't matter if your models are painted for example as Dark Angels if you make it PERFECTLY clear to your opponent that he is currently playing against Imperial Fists.
The safest way to do this is to never even mention the words "Dark Angels".
Just stick to -
"This is my Imperial Fist successor chapter"
"They use the Imperial Fist rules"
"No, these are Imperial Fists"
"Yeah. I won the roll for deployment. I'll deploy my Imperial Fists first over there"
And so on.