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I was playing a game against eldar today, and my opponent said all shuriken weapons were rending, and shuriken cannons were AP 3. Having played eldar in the last edition, this is quite a change, and I havent been able to look at the new 'dex since it came out. Normally I would trust him, but this came from someone that tried to convince me his shuriken catapults had a 36" range, and instant death also causes the wound to ignore all armor saves and cover saves.

Also do Farseers really have have Combat stats of an old Autarch, and are witchblades like powerswords with AP2 and Fleshbane?

Nope no Shuriken weapons have rend just Bladestorm and a Shuriken Cannon has AP5...Shuriken catapult have 12" range not 36"...... Witchblades do have Fleshbane but not AP2 they also have Armourbane ..... and lastly most Farseer stats are one point below that of Autarch....

In saying all that I would next time call some serious BS!!! and I don't mean Ballistic Skill

The eldar weapons stats are almost completely unchanged from the previous incarnation listed in the back of the BRB. For the Shuriken weapons everything stayed the same apart from getting the Bladestorm rule that makes them AP2 on 6's to wound. It's not true rending.

Witchblade rules are in the BRB on p61.

The above posters are correct, your opponents claims are so unbelievably outlandish it looks more like they were messing with you than cheating.

Whether you trust someone or not, if something sounds fishy ask to look at the codex. Even the most honest players get things wrong sometimes.

Like today I played a Space marine player who said all his TAC marines had artificer armour.... "Ummm yeah ok and all my Fire Warriors have twin linked rail rifles and shoot at BS6"

Please not the above quoted sarcasm

WaaghGames wrote:
I was playing a game against eldar today, and my opponent said all shuriken weapons were rending, and shuriken cannons were AP 3. Having played eldar in the last edition, this is quite a change, and I havent been able to look at the new 'dex since it came out. Normally I would trust him, but this came from someone that tried to convince me his shuriken catapults had a 36" range, and instant death also causes the wound to ignore all armor saves and cover saves.

Also do Farseers really have have Combat stats of an old Autarch, and are witchblades like powerswords with AP2 and Fleshbane?

All Shuriken Weapons gained a new rule called Bladestorm which means to-wounds of 6 are automatic wounds made at AP2. Essentially against models with toughness, they are rending. Against armored targets, it's essentially unchanged because you could at best hope to glance something. Could mean a shuriken catapult gained +1 on it's pen rolls against an AV11 or less vehicle, I suppose.

Shuriken Cannons and Catapults are unchanged in the rest of their statline from previous iterations. Their strength and AP values can be found on page 140 of the BRB. Same with the Witchblade, in fact. Sounds like this guy got Witchblades and Direswords mashed up into a super weapon of some kind.

Farseers are also unchanged in their statline from the previous codex. Their profile on page 136 is current. It's not listed there, but they do have "armor", it's just a permanent 4++ invulnerable save, so the Sv- listed there is irrelevant.

 SRSFACE wrote:

All Shuriken Weapons gained a new rule called Bladestorm which means to-wounds of 6 are automatic wounds made at AP2. Essentially against models with toughness, they are rending. Against armored targets, it's essentially unchanged because you could at best hope to glance something. Could mean a shuriken catapult gained +1 on it's pen rolls against an AV11 or less vehicle, I suppose.

No it couldn't, because as you stated it's keyed off a to-wound roll. You don't roll to-wound against vehicles, so the AP2 will never come into play. Just like Rending doesn't make the weapon AP2 against vehicles on a 6, because the AP2 for rending is tied to the to-wound roll.

Oh, good point Chrysis. Thanks for pointing that out.