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Hey, it's another Black Templar thread so bear with me on this thread. With the usage of supplements to play certain types of play styles for your army, how many of you guys would like to see the Black Templars with all its past splendor? To see the Holy Orb of Antioch, Blessed Hulls, Terminator Honors, and the Vows come back?

I clicked yes before I even read what you asked.

I don't like Black Templars. Never have. I just find them militantly boring, and yet I'd be all over a BT Supplement. I want my friends who are into this hobby to be happy and there are a bunch who played Black Templars that simply quit playing when their Codex got swallowed up in 6E. They played once or twice, but their heart wasn't in it because they didn't feel unique anymore which was a lot of the appeal for long time collectors.

GW, though, is seriously stupid for not having released one yet. Fans want it, so we probably won't see one. We'll probably get Supplement: Ultramarines before we see one for Black Templars even though the base book is already pretty much Ultramarines.

Yes! I would love to see a Black Templar Supplement! There really are no other notable BT named characters though, and the ones that are in the book need some updates.

Well, they could do like they did with the Iron Hands supplement and give some bonuses to the standard HQ. the BT codex had the Master of Sanctity as the step up from the Reclusiarch. So I think they could bring out a really strong chaplain that isn't Grimaldus. And yes, the Blessed Hull land raider and Orb of Antioch need to make a return. And having a unit of Sword Brethren would be pretty awesome too.

Given that they released a Legion of the Damned codex that no one asked for, I would say that BT are almost entitled to receive one given their lacklustre representation within C:SM. Having lost their vows and a nerfed Emperor's Champion is bad enough given that their chapter tactics doesn't even help make creating a CC SM army viable, at least in comparison to other more contemporary SM builds.

Also, the Holy Orbs of Antioch need to be brought back dammit!

Do not play BT and never will ... but that does not mean I am happy with them being Rick Rolled into UM Codex. I would LOVE to see a BT Supplement even though I would never buy it. If they had Rolled the BA into the SM codex I would have sold my models and been done. This is a hobby and a hobby is supposed to be fun. If they take away my fun toy ... well I guess I would find somewhere else to spend my money.

If each of the major chapters gets a supplement, I'm all about it! Black Templars, Crimson Fists, and one for each of the founding nine. (Maybe leaving Ultramarines behind.) That way you can even save time by not bothering to print separate codexes for Angels (in Dark or Blood flavors).

Indubitably, unarguably, and most definetely; YES!
I used to be a BT player. Heck, I started the bloody 40K hobby with the Templars a month or two before the 6th Edition rolled in and FAQ'd the hell out of poor Templars and broke their legs.
Then the GW did the nasties and rolled 'em in the Space Marines codex, gaining some new goodies, but also losing their own goodies that gave them character (Orbs of Antioch, Castellans/Marshals, 2W Techmarines, and Bionics to name a few, how I miss you so...).

The Templars need a buff in a form of a supplement; more unique characters, more wargear, and special scenarios to play. The Fists got it, the Clan Raukaan got it, and I have a strong sense that sons of Khan might also get one some day, and I'd really wish that the angry crusaders of Dorn would also have their chance to become more unique in this way.

The first model I ever played with back in 2001 was an Emperor's Champion leading a squad of BT...needless to say, those were the golden years. I've always liked the Black Templars and would love to see them brought back to respectability.

Most definitely. I don't see why they haven't done this before. They released one for IF, who are as codex adherent as it gets, and even have a Codex: Imperial Knights (this really peeves me, that BT have not even had a supplement, yet they released a WHOLE CODEX for two units, which could have been covered in a dataslate or two). Yet the codex that had been around for a fair few years was simply rolled.

What is the Imperial Knight exactly? I haven't really paid much attention to GW stuff for a while and am kinda lost as to what it is. Is it a mini-Titan or a Imperial version of the Riptide/Wraithknight?

Big stompy superheavy walker. Think a Dreadknight but on steroids and costing twice as much.

Thanks. Sorry for the side tracking.

No, if anything I'd like to see more loyalists get the BT 6e treatment. We have more than enough flavours.

I would be perfectly happy if ALL of the loyalists got rolled into the one Codex, same as the Chaos variety. But they should give a supplement to EACH of the first founding Chapter/Legions. Though I would like to see a supplement for the BT, I'd prefer to have my Raven Guard and Night Lords get something first. BT already have more in the SM dex than my Ravens do, so I'd be fine seeing you wait a bit =]

MarsNZ wrote:
No, if anything I'd like to see more loyalists get the BT 6e treatment. We have more than enough flavours.

Just curious, is there a reason why you want armies gutted to former shadows of themselves?

On topic; where's the "YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!" button?

Yep.

Supplements for everyone!

Supplement for Biel Tann!

Supplement for Evil Sunz!

Supplement for Black Templars!

I still want a Mechanicum army/codex!

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
I still want a Mechanicum army/codex!

We're getting one, patience. :p

Absolutely. Best chapter of the lot IMO

I would like that, I enjoy their fluff, and as others mentioned, we need a good close combat army. A nice hardback book might help with that.

Sure! The more variety, the better. Do a supplement for all of the original legions, too. Loyalists and Renegades.

I voted no because I find the supplements insulting for how much they cost, I would rather my second favorite army just fade away then be beaten as a cash cow.

Supplements add nothing, they are $50 art books with some fluff and maybe a page or two of new rules.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
No, if anything I'd like to see more loyalists get the BT 6e treatment. We have more than enough flavours.

Just curious, is there a reason why you want armies gutted to former shadows of themselves?

Their original former selves would have been vanilla SM painted black, but GW ended up giving out yet another flavour of SM because this particular flavour is black and doesn't like psykers, whereas the other black space marines are OK with psykers so it's essential to differentiate apparently. They're also pretty hard in CC, but the other CC army is red so we apparently needed a method do differentiate here, bear in mind the red marines also have black-armoured CC specialists, so GW dumps another couple inches of snow and joe schmo has to buy another codex that won't be updated for a decade.

They'd still perform just fine as SM, Ultramarine/Fist/Scar players are doing just fine. Personally I'm glad to see the snow is finally clearing.

MarsNZ wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
No, if anything I'd like to see more loyalists get the BT 6e treatment. We have more than enough flavours.

Just curious, is there a reason why you want armies gutted to former shadows of themselves?

Their original former selves would have been vanilla SM painted black, but GW ended up giving out yet another flavour of SM because this particular flavour is black and doesn't like psykers, whereas the other black space marines are OK with psykers so it's essential to differentiate apparently. They're also pretty hard in CC, but the other CC army is red so we apparently needed a method do differentiate here, bear in mind the red marines also have black-armoured CC specialists, so GW dumps another couple inches of snow and joe schmo has to buy another codex that won't be updated for a decade.

They'd still perform just fine as SM, Ultramarine/Fist/Scar players are doing just fine. Personally I'm glad to see the snow is finally clearing.

So screw the bunch of people who like the varied playstyles of the variant Chapters?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
No, if anything I'd like to see more loyalists get the BT 6e treatment. We have more than enough flavours.

Just curious, is there a reason why you want armies gutted to former shadows of themselves?

Their original former selves would have been vanilla SM painted black, but GW ended up giving out yet another flavour of SM because this particular flavour is black and doesn't like psykers, whereas the other black space marines are OK with psykers so it's essential to differentiate apparently. They're also pretty hard in CC, but the other CC army is red so we apparently needed a method do differentiate here, bear in mind the red marines also have black-armoured CC specialists, so GW dumps another couple inches of snow and joe schmo has to buy another codex that won't be updated for a decade.

They'd still perform just fine as SM, Ultramarine/Fist/Scar players are doing just fine. Personally I'm glad to see the snow is finally clearing.

So screw the bunch of people who like the varied playstyles of the variant Chapters?

Yes,

But when it comes down to the basic stuff, wouldn't BA seem more likely a choice to put into the SM codex then the BT?

No. No more supplements/codices/whatever for every boring slight variant of marines. One codex, chapter tactics for all the special snowflakes, nothing else.

Why on earth would GW make a BT supplement?! They need to focus on the more important things for the PA/SM crowd. Like the very closely followed sub-chapters of the Imperial Fists, the incredible popular Crimson Slaughter, and the oft missed Legion of the Damned. Why would they turn from such needed projects to something like BT that already have models, special units, and a devoted following?! Come on, show some business savvy.

 Peregrine wrote:
No. No more supplements/codices/whatever for every boring slight variant of marines. One codex, chapter tactics for all the special snowflakes, nothing else.

You'll be happy to know then that, since Black Templars aren't boring, a supplement for them would be fine! I can tell you this because my opinion on the matter is absolute, and anyone with another opinion, while entitled to that opinion, is wrong. Hooray for me!

 Peregrine wrote:
No. No more supplements/codices/whatever for every boring slight variant of marines. One codex, chapter tactics for all the special snowflakes, nothing else.

This coming from a guy who plays DKoK...

You find them boring is what you ment to say, which is your opinion and your right. Wether people want to admit it or not SM and their variations are the most popular armies, infact FW has seen fit to actually give each and every legion the proper treatment and they MUST be making money off of this business plan or else they wouldn't be doing it.

Deleting armies should NEVER be the answer, all you do then is make people unhappy. Wrapping all SM in the same codex IS the same as deleting them.