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I'm sorry if this doesnt belong here, but I couldnt find any other place to post this. But lately if been thinking that Warhammer 40k is much more serious and competetive then fantasy. I want a casual game to play with awesome fiction and so far Warhammer Fantasy has shown me exactly that.

I just feel that after many years of playing 40k the people that play are generally very up tight about both the games rules AND fiction, honestly I guess I could say i'm getting sick of it. The few games of Fantasy that I have played (wich I wont and lost brutally in) I had morefun then I ever did with 40k and saw myself drawn in to the pure fantasy realm of its backround (And thats coming from a guy who really likes scifi).

I just wanted to know YOUR thoughts.

I think @-holes tend to flock to 40k more.

But I also think 40k makes alot of @-holes due to the nature/rules/imbalance of the game.

40K is wildly more popular in my gaming circle and as a result you see many more casuals playing the game. I very rarely see unpainted Fantasy armies ever fielded and everyone who plays is fairly competitive with their list building.

x13rads wrote:
I think @-holes tend to flock to 40k more.

But I also think 40k makes alot of @-holes due to the nature/rules/imbalance of the game.

Ha, nice!

To be honest I feel it’s about the club/people you play with. I have played that @-hole and it does make the game a lot less fun. Fortunately the two groups I have belonged to have been rather lax on rules and have made it more of a beer and pretzel game then a tournament list. I have not played fantasy but I have watched a few games and it does look fun, I also know a few 40k players who moved to fantasy only until the rules get better. Both can be casual, it really depends on the people you play and the list you (and your opponent) decide to bring.

I'm gonna go with neither.

It really depends on your group, but I think Fantasy is usually somewhat more casual. Needless to say, 40k can be very casual as well and Fantasy is a lot more expensive due to the large number of models involved.

 zammerak wrote:

x13rads wrote:
I think @-holes tend to flock to 40k more.

But I also think 40k makes alot of @-holes due to the nature/rules/imbalance of the game.

Ha, nice!

To be honest I feel it’s about the club/people you play with. I have played that @-hole and it does make the game a lot less fun. Fortunately the two groups I have belonged to have been rather lax on rules and have made it more of a beer and pretzel game then a tournament list. I have not played fantasy but I have watched a few games and it does look fun, I also know a few 40k players who moved to fantasy only until the rules get better. Both can be casual, it really depends on the people you play and the list you (and your opponent) decide to bring.

Let me clarify, I myself only play 40k. But I do watch other guys play Fantasy, and I have even seen some Fantasy @-hole players.

In the end though, even some of my worst 40k games seemed more interesting than 95% of the Fantasy games I have spectated. And a good fought game of 40k seems 10x more fun than a good fought game of Fantasy.

It is all IMO of course, but to me it is a risk vs reward scenario. 40k is better played in groups of friends that know each others likes & limitations.

FJ wrote:I'm sorry if this doesnt belong here, but I couldnt find any other place to post this. But lately if been thinking that Warhammer 40k is much more serious and competetive then fantasy. I want a casual game to play with awesome fiction and so far Warhammer Fantasy has shown me exactly that.

It's PLAYERS are more serious, but that doesn't mean the game is. As for which game is more conducive to random crazy bonkers stuff happening, I'd say 40k easily.

WHFB seems much more like slowly moving blocks of infantry around trying to get a tactical advantage and then sorting it all in a big scrum. Also, units and armies are more similar to each other You sort of have your artillery class of weapons, your generic shooty guys, your mages, and your big CC and horde CC units, and many of them are rather similar to each other. High elves, bretonnians and the empire all have archers, and they're not really that different from each other, and even things on the farther end of the spectrum like skink slingers and empire handgunners likewise aren't going to be that different - they wait for stuff to get close and then pelt them in preparation for a CC unit charging them. Also, the mechanics are rather similar - most people shoot with a bow or chop with a sword without a lot of difference between them.

40k allows you to do a lot more stuff if for no other reason than there's just a lot more stuff. 40k has different kinds of vehicles, for example, and fliers, transports, and gunboats will behave rather differently from each other. Also, the armies can be made way different from each other. A DE raider spam is completely different from a Deathwing list which is completely different from a green tide, and those differences open up more opportunity for interesting things to happen. Plus, 40k also has more stuff that's just silly, and stuff that swings violently between useless and overpowered. Rolling differently for a warlord trait than you'd hope might make it be a rather different game than you'd planned, among all the other extra randomness. Meanwhile, orks get the shokk attack gun, and chaos gets the maybe my cultist champion will get promoted all the way up straight to greater demon while the lord might get turned into a spawn, and imperial guard have access to the doomsday missile that might go off and blow up everything, or maybe not, and commissars that shoot people when they run away.

40k is, in many ways, just sillier than WHFB, and more prone to random zany things happening. I'd imagine a casual player would want that more than something that's making a more serious effort at being serious.

 Ailaros wrote:

FJ wrote:I'm sorry if this doesnt belong here, but I couldnt find any other place to post this. But lately if been thinking that Warhammer 40k is much more serious and competetive then fantasy. I want a casual game to play with awesome fiction and so far Warhammer Fantasy has shown me exactly that.

It's PLAYERS are more serious, but that doesn't mean the game is. As for which game is more conducive to random crazy bonkers stuff happening, I'd say 40k easily.

WHFB seems much more like slowly moving blocks of infantry around trying to get a tactical advantage and then sorting it all in a big scrum. Also, units and armies are more similar to each other You sort of have your artillery class of weapons, your generic shooty guys, your mages, and your big CC and horde CC units, and many of them are rather similar to each other. High elves, bretonnians and the empire all have archers, and they're not really that different from each other, and even things on the farther end of the spectrum like skink slingers and empire handgunners likewise aren't going to be that different - they wait for stuff to get close and then pelt them in preparation for a CC unit charging them. Also, the mechanics are rather similar - most people shoot with a bow or chop with a sword without a lot of difference between them.

40k allows you to do a lot more stuff if for no other reason than there's just a lot more stuff. 40k has different kinds of vehicles, for example, and fliers, transports, and gunboats will behave rather differently from each other. Also, the armies can be made way different from each other. A DE raider spam is completely different from a Deathwing list which is completely different from a green tide, and those differences open up more opportunity for interesting things to happen. Plus, 40k also has more stuff that's just silly, and stuff that swings violently between useless and overpowered. Rolling differently for a warlord trait than you'd hope might make it be a rather different game than you'd planned, among all the other extra randomness. Meanwhile, orks get the shokk attack gun, and chaos gets the maybe my cultist champion will get promoted all the way up straight to greater demon while the lord might get turned into a spawn, and imperial guard have access to the doomsday missile that might go off and blow up everything, or maybe not, and commissars that shoot people when they run away.

40k is, in many ways, just sillier than WHFB, and more prone to random zany things happening. I'd imagine a casual player would want that more than something that's making a more serious effort at being serious.

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....essentially everything you said about 40k can be directly compared to something in Fantasy that is extremely similar.
Armies can be made way different from each other in fantasy it isn't just about blocks of infantry and thats it. A Skaven Slave/Clan rat army is dramatically different than a Lizardmen Saurus Army......if you play it more and more then you see the differences more and more (Not sure if you play Fantasy or not).
Fantasy has units that are dramatically different then each other, they have chariots, buff units (screaming bell), fliers, monstrous beasts, tanky beasts etc etc etc.
Alot of the fantasy randomness is in the magic.

I agree that there is some crazier shenanigans in 40k though alot haha.

A fantasy army that's a big block of units trying to get into close combat with hand weapons isn't much different from an army that's small blocks of better units trying to get into close combat with hand weapons.


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Also, I'll offer an anecdote about what I'm talking about.

There was a game at my FLGS awhile ago where a grey knights player took a small unit of henchmen with stormshields and put them in a storm raven. The aircraft zooms onto the field, while interceptor fire from the quad gun below rakes up at it. One of the shells finds its mark, and the stormraven explodes in a cataclysmic fireball raining debris over the battlefield....

(The S10 Ap1 hits are resolved and most wound. My opponent rolls his 3++s and passes all of them.)

... and among the debris are the henchmen blown from their flaming wreck and careening towards their death on the fiery battlefield below. With cool calculation, these servants of the emperor flick on their storm shields and mount them as surfboards, gliding down at hurtling speeds and crashing into the earth unharmed amidst blinding flashes of disruptor fields.

Calmly, the head henchman picks himself up, dusts off his sacred purity seals and mutters "I didn't want that stormraven anyways".

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I can't imagine anything even remotely similar to this happening in WHFB, and I'm sure that every 40k player could go on at length about some of the truly bizarre things that have happened in their games.

Fair enough, but if you say fantasy is just an army trying to get into close combat then by that logic 40k is just a bunch of skirmish units trying to shoot each other to avoid close combat.
A story of my abomination...... It barrels down the table going random 3d6 inches, it soaks up a whole hell blaster volley (16 shots) and saves all its regeneration saves, continues to barrel down the field and crashes into a unit of 8 knightly orders and destroys the entire thing including the hero using d6+2 impact hits plus avalanche of flesh attack, after 2 rounds of combat, suffering 2 wounds only in the process of the game.

Just saying that's the same type of story different game haha
I am just going to leave it at that though.

Fantasy is a little more balanced, but it's also a lot more mind-numbing work since it's a lot of small models.