Centurions and Drop Pods?

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**Zarrath**

Howdy there! I was reading through my space marine codex the other day and noticed something pretty cool. I theorize that Centurions can deep strike via Drop Pods. I just wanted to verify with the community before I start going to tournaments with this lol. So what do you guys think? Can Centurions deep strike via drop pods?

Right off the bat I would think yes. Let me explain my reasoning, though I could still be wrong.

1. Drop pod transport capacity is: 10 models, 1 dreadnought, or 1 thunderfire cannon. Centurions have the very bulky rule (they take up 3 transport spaces per model). So logically, a minimum unit of Centurions can fit inside the Drop Pod (3 Centurions).

2. If a unit of Tactical Marines can start the game in reserves, and arrive via Stormraven, even though its not a DEDICATED TRANSPORT; why not Centurions via Drop Pod. Even though it cannot be taken as dedicated transport, I can point out many instances of other units using transport vehicles while in reserve. Imperial Guard Vets in Vendetta, Grey Knight Paladins in Chimeras, etc. Need I say more?

I`ll just leave it at that. If the majority agree, I have a tactica to Write lol.

**ah64pilot5**

The simplest answer is: does the space marine codex allow them to purchase drop pods as dedicated transports? No.
Drop pods are only available as dedicated transports and centurions do not have that option.

**nwabudikemorgan**

The problem with this plan is that units and transports and reserves works slightly different from how you seem to want it to.

Units may start in a vehicle with the transport rule in reserves.

However, dedicated transports may ONLY contain the units for which they were purchased at the start of the game. page 78

If you could take a drop pod as a Non-Dedicated transport then of course centurions would fit.

**JinxDragon**

To my knowledge Drop pods have to be purchased as a dedicated transport before they can be included in the list, that is to say they can not be purchased as a stand alone unit but have to be joined to one to start with. The rules for dedicated transports really do only one thing, restrict the list of units that can begin the game embarked on them to only the unit linked to them. As the Centurion unit in question lacks the ability to purchase a Drop Pod, it is this element that stops them from starting in one.

That being said, take a look at some ForgeWorld options and see if they let you take a Drop Pod as either a non-dedicated transport or for the squad in question.

**Retrogamer0001**

I'm not sure you would even want to drop them in the middle of a battlefield anyway - they're just going to be chopped to pieces from about ten different units. That's a massive waste of points for such an expensive unit.

**Zarrath**

I can see the reasoning. Though how does this only apply to Centurions? Example, Grey Knight Paladains/Terminators do not have the Chimera listed as a dedicated transport. And yet, it is tournament legal to purchase a Chimera for them, and start the game with them in it (or reserve). If someone could explain this loop of logic, it would be appreciated. Thanks.

If the premise is that "I can only purchase vehicles as transports, if they are dedicated transports options"......wouldn`t that logical outworking prevent many units from using transports? I.e., stormrsven, vendetta, land raiders, looted wagons, etc.

**nwabudikemorgan**

I don't know about GK codex options, but I'll try again to explain in the case of space marines:

A Rhino/Razorback/Drop Pod is a dedicated transport, it may therefore start either empty or containing the unit for which it was purchased.

A Stormraven has the transport rule, but is not a dedicated transport, so it does not have this restriction. It may therefore start empty or containing ANY unit, as it is not restricted by having a unit for which it was purchased.

**rigeld2**

No, it's not legal to start Paladins in a Chimera.

Transports that can only be selected as dedicated transports can only contain the unit that purchased them at the beginning of the game.
Page 121 should help you figure out this issue.

**Zarrath**

Ok thanks.

To touch down on Paladins....it is legal. Or atleast at Adepticon every year and my regionals. 0_o

Thanks guys!! Btw, centurions are totally worth it! I do have a tactica coming up soon.

**rigeld2**

Zarrath wrote:
Ok thanks.

To touch down on Paladins....it is legal. Or atleast at Adepticon every year and my regionals. 0_o

Thanks guys!! Btw, centurions are totally worth it! I do have a tactica coming up soon.

Paladins can ride in one, but they absolutely cannot start the game in one.

**Mulletdude**

rigeld2 wrote:
Zarrath wrote:
Ok thanks.

To touch down on Paladins....it is legal. Or atleast at Adepticon every year and my regionals. 0_o

Thanks guys!! Btw, centurions are totally worth it! I do have a tactica coming up soon.

Paladins can ride in one, but they absolutely cannot start the game in one.

This is correct. They can start the game next to it, hop in, and then ride around no problem though.

**Rorschach9**

BRB Page 78 : "Dedicated Transports" clears up why Centurions cannot be in a drop pod quite nicely actually.
** Edit : Just saw the reference to P121 as well (same ruling)

**nosferatu1001**

Zarrath wrote:
Ok thanks.

To touch down on Paladins....it is legal. Or atleast at Adepticon every year and my regionals. 0_o

Thanks guys!! Btw, centurions are totally worth it! I do have a tactica coming up soon.

No, you wil have seen people embark terminators onto Chimera, but they
1) cannot purchase a chimera for the unit, as they do not have that option in their unit entry, and there is no place to just "buy" an empty chimera from; they are always a dedicated transport for a unit
2) ONLY the unit that BOUGHT the DT, and any attached ICs, may deploy embarked in the vehicle. That reference was given to you.

Now, you are making a logical leap that because DT are restricted in this, then non-dedicated transports like SR are as well. They are not. THis restriction on DT is just that - a restriction.

**Sir Arun**

@Zarrath: I hope you are already aware that you can put Centurions in Space Wolf drop pods now as 7th edition allows allies to use each others transports (not DTs) but SWs have their DPs on the FA section, so they arent necessarily DTs and can be purchased as independent FA entries.

**Johnnytorrance**

Sir Arnum is correct. You can't buy drop pods from the SM codex but the SW dex does ha FA pods avail

**Hanskrampf**

Thread necro?

**Sir Arun**

Hanskrampf wrote:
Thread necro?

hmm I read that as July 3rd and thought <3months doesnt count for necro. sorry

**Ghaz**

Thread necro is anything greater than one month on dakka.

**Hanskrampf**

Sir Arun wrote:
Hanskrampf wrote:
Thread necro?

hmm I read that as July 3rd and thought <3months doesnt count for necro. sorry

It's March, 7th. American time format.

**reds8n**

Generally yes.

Things can be considered on their merits but this is not worth reviving.

No harm done though.