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So guys I have an question how does forbidden lore work on a vampire lord because it says if he can he must choose lore of vampires however forbidden lore states he must choose an lore from the rulebook except life however it does not stop him from the use of Lore of vampires as this is in his profile so he has to take lore of vampires anyhow so the forbidden lore is useless ? or other people seem to claim that he is somehow able to generate 2 spells from 2 different lores. What do you guys think ?

Your General has to select Lore of the Vampires
A Vampire Lord doesn't have to be your general
If he's your only caster (and hence your only guy with Ld 10 in this particular army), then he has to be your general, then he has to select Lore of the Vampires, then Forbidden Lore would indeed be wasted

IIRC, Vamps are the only ones who can get around the "General must be the highest Ld character" rule, right? If you take a Lord and a Master Necro, both with LoV then the Lord must be general, but if say the lord was written to have LoD, then the Necro is the general, correct?

 japehlio wrote:
IIRC, Vamps are the only ones who can get around the "General must be the highest Ld character" rule, right? If you take a Lord and a Master Necro, both with LoV then the Lord must be general, but if say the lord was written to have LoD, then the Necro is the general, correct?

Unfortunately this is not correct it states that the person with the highest level LD that can take Lore of vamps must take it and must be the general.

You just answered your own question

TinTip i was checking if my interpretation was correct...

With forbidden lore the general must choose the lore of vampires. Since that is his chosen lore he cant generate spells from any other lore

Also on this topic:

If you only take a wight king as a lord/hero choice can he be your general? Because he doesn't have lore of vampires.

The general for VC MUST be a wizard, if he can choose lore of vampires he must choose it.

A wight king is not a wizard so he can never be the general. That is why if you took a wight king (Ld9) and a necromancer (Ld7) the necromancer would be the general

That was my point, lore is chosen when writing the list, general isn't (its not specified when he is chosen, just that its highest LD.(example, my general of the empire is Ld 9, and my wizard lord is in a unit with the SoD, so Ld 9 too, either one can be my general at deployment))

So really my point is that does the general have to be the highest Ld, and must therefore take LoV, OR is the general the character with the highest Ld who has chosen LoV in the army list...

TinTip wrote:
The general for VC MUST be a wizard, if he can choose lore of vampires he must choose it.

A wight king is not a wizard so he can never be the general. That is why if you took a wight king (Ld9) and a necromancer (Ld7) the necromancer would be the general

And if no Necromancer or vampire was taken? What then?

Just checked the faq: If a vampire/lord is unable to choose LoV (it mentions wizarding hat, but forbidden lore would count, as its treated the same as the hat, ie an upgrade) but is still the wizard with the highest Ld, must he be the general?
A: Yes

DOOMONYOU wrote:

And if no Necromancer or vampire was taken? What then?

If you do not take a Vampire, necromancer or SC who has LoV, then your list is illegal.

 japehlio wrote:
Just checked the faq: If a vampire/lord is unable to choose LoV (it mentions wizarding hat, but forbidden lore would count, as its treated the same as the hat, ie an upgrade) but is still the wizard with the highest Ld, must he be the general?
A: Yes

forbidden lore wouldnt count as it does not stop you from being able to select lore of vampires. It does not matter that he can select from the lore in the BRB, he has access to Lore of Vampires so he must select it. no where in forbidden lore does it remove the Vampire from having Lore of vampires, nor does it allow him to choose 2 or more lores to generate from at the same time.

TinTip wrote:

DOOMONYOU wrote:

And if no Necromancer or vampire was taken? What then?

If you do not take a Vampire, necromancer or SC who has LoV, then your list is illegal.

That's annoying then. I wanted to try just a Wight King led army

DOOMONYOU wrote:


That's annoying then. I wanted to try just a Wight King led army

Check the battle scrolls, one of them lets you run a VC list with certain units, lead by a Wight King

TinTip wrote:

DOOMONYOU wrote:


That's annoying then. I wanted to try just a Wight King led army

Check the battle scrolls, one of them lets you run a VC list with certain units, lead by a Wight King

No, one of them lets you add a few VC units to your army, and those units are lead by the wight king. The Battle Scroll doesn't bring a general to your army.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

TinTip wrote:

DOOMONYOU wrote:


That's annoying then. I wanted to try just a Wight King led army

Check the battle scrolls, one of them lets you run a VC list with certain units, lead by a Wight King

No, one of them lets you add a few VC units to your army, and those units are lead by the wight king. The Battle Scroll doesn't bring a general to your army.

Yes, you can run just the battlescrolls

Thanks but i don't have access/dont really want the battle scrolls. Cheers anyways