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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/07 22:21:39
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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So if a Blood Angel army has Mephiston as the only HQ choice, is it illegal?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/07 22:22:09
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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The Hive Mind
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Sir Arun wrote:So if a Blood Angel army has Mephiston as the only HQ choice, is it illegal?
Why would it be? He's an HQ character... so he's automatically the warlord.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/07 22:27:13
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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But the BRB says only Hq choice characters can be warlords, not HQ choices, and Mephiston has merely the infantry unit type and is not a character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/07 22:28:34
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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The Hive Mind
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Sir Arun wrote:But the BRB says only Hq choice characters can be warlords, not HQ choices, and Mephiston has merely the infantry unit type and is not a character.
He's a special character and therefore a character. He can challenge and everything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/07 22:31:10
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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If he has the "unique" rule he is most definitly a character.
From the official FAQ:
Q: Do models classified as unique count as
characters? (p63)
A: Yes, but not in the case of vehicles (with the exception of
Bjorn the Fell-handed).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/07 22:35:13
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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grendel083 wrote:If he has the "unique" rule he is most definitly a character.
From the official FAQ:
Q: Do models classified as unique count as
characters? (p63)
A: Yes, but not in the case of vehicles (with the exception of
Bjorn the Fell-handed).
Which really didn't need an FAQ as all special characters are characters. (Well I guess it did need an FaQ about the vehicle part).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/07 22:37:07
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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DeathReaper wrote:Which really didn't need an FAQ as all special characters are characters. (Well I guess it did need an FaQ about the vehicle part).
Well true. I just like to reinforce the point beyond all doubt
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/07 22:48:33
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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So can Mephiston join units or embark with a unit into a dedicated transport, then?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/07 22:50:52
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Executing Exarch
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Sir Arun wrote:So can Mephiston join units or embark with a unit into a dedicated transport, then?
No, but being the Warlord doesn't care if you have the Independent Character special rule or not, it only cares if you are a character (the unit type - gained by being a special character in the case of older codexes).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/07 22:52:21
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Sir Arun wrote:So can Mephiston join units or embark with a unit into a dedicated transport, then?
No.
While he is a character, he is not an Independent Character
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/08 01:04:43
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Sir Arun wrote:So can Mephiston join units or embark with a unit into a dedicated transport, then?
No, as he does not have the IC rule. He is a character,like a vet sarge
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/08 02:10:53
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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You can pick up the newest Blood Angels codex (it's just an update for 6th) or look at the pages right before Psionic Powers, in the Rulebook. There is a list of all 40k units (prior to July 2012), discriminating who is a Character.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/08 11:17:26
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Vector Strike wrote:or look at the pages right before Psionic Powers, in the Rulebook. There is a list of all 40k units (prior to July 2012), discriminating who is a Character.
is this only in the hardcover one or also in the mini rulebook?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/08 11:50:45
Subject: Re:Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Tail Gunner
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Both, starts on page 134 in the mini rulebook.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/08 12:53:24
Subject: Re:Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Am I blind or arent any stats for ICs mentioned there? I only see the stats for regular guys and vehicles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/08 13:33:38
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Kelne
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You must be blind ,because I see lots of ICs in that list. Special characters on the other hand are not listed, and special characters are , as we are told from the FAQ, all characters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 01:20:26
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Why is Mephiston not an independent character? Is it an oversight that hasn't been fixed or is there a reason?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 01:29:14
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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He is not an IC because he does not have the IC rule (since at least 2009).
Fluff -wise...not 100% sure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 03:27:21
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
Adelaide, South Australia
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screaminskull wrote:Why is Mephiston not an independent character? Is it an oversight that hasn't been fixed or is there a reason?
Because the ability to freely move something with a statline better than most Monstrous Creatures and potential 12 inch movement in and out of different squads at will would have been incredibly broken in 5th.
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I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 05:52:48
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Because they didn't want him to be
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 07:02:34
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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And as a poke in the eye for Zogwort.
He's unsquiggable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 08:44:56
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Using Inks and Washes
St. George, Utah
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screaminskull wrote:Why is Mephiston not an independent character? Is it an oversight that hasn't been fixed or is there a reason?
Fluff-wise, I thought it was because the other Blood Angels don't trust him exactly, seeing as he's overcoming the blinding, maddening rage that plagues their whole chapter.
This is just what I've been told, though. Haven't actually read the Blood Angels book to be sure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 09:04:01
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Thanks for that insightful reply. Most helpful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 11:00:10
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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That is literally the answer
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 12:02:38
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Making Stuff
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No, it isn't. It's an answer, but it's not a particularly good one. It's like saying the sky is blue because it is. It's a useless response.
The common theory is pretty much what PrinceRaven said - he was designed to be a beatstick, and allowing him to join units would have been hideous. I don't recall if GW ever actually said as much, though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 12:10:40
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
Adelaide, South Australia
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Well, believe it or not, once upon a time GW cared just a tiny little bit about game balance, so I think it's the most likely reason they decided not to make him an IC.
The whole black rage survivor thing is also a viable explanation.
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Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 15:48:33
Subject: Is a Blood Angel army led by Mephiston illegal?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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arent there even badder IC beatsticks around?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/09 15:51:44
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Maybe now, but remember an entire enditon has come out since that codex. Balance has changed.
Don't feel too bad, just think of the poor Ork players with their 4th edition codex
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