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Im not too big on the fluff surrounding knights, so wanted to ask and see what i can find out.
I know knights are usually from a household or a freeblade, but do they ever fight directly for a chapter?

I have an iron hands army and i wanted it to fit in with the theme, but was wondering if they ever actually used a chapters heraldry or only ever their own.
I just like the idea of a knight in an IH theme.

Thanks

The Knights Codex shows several knights from one of the houses bearing chapter-specific heraldry as a sign of respect for and allegiance with chapters they have fought beside in the past.

That said, the House in question had its own separate heraldry as well. They do not seem to fight directly for a chapter; i.e., there is not a SM piloting the thing.

I don't think there is a such thing as an IH Knight according to the published fluff. But a freeblade might work for the IH and perhaps even have permission to use some aspect of their heraldry. That would not make the freeblade a IH, however.

Thank you
So in theory, having a freeblade with both forms of heraldry (its own and IH mixed in) would be fine?

Love the model and want to get started on painting up more of the details, but dont want to go too far from fluff with it.
I should have looking in the codex too -_-

Thanks Manchu

House Hawkshroud Knights use the iconography of their allies as their personal heraldry. These are the yellow Knights.

 Jackal wrote:
So in theory, having a freeblade with both forms of heraldry (its own and IH mixed in) would be fine?

Well, I don't think there is a direct example of that in the dex. They do have House knights showing IF and UM heraldry along with their own. I am not sure if Astartes chapters would be prejudiced against freeblades (since they do not belong to houses). For example, the IH have very close ties with Adpetus Mechanicus. They might be offended that a knight is just going about on his own rather than in the service of Mars (or at least Terra, via an Imperium-aligned house). I guess Astartes would look down on mercenaries generally.

If you want a knight to go with your IH, just use one of the Mechanicum-aligned Knight Houses mentioned in the dex and add IH (or IH clan) heraldry as per the example of the other house using chapter heraldry.

I think thats possibly the best option now, thanks manchu
Will be digging through some of the mechanicum house schemes to see which would fit best for me.

Failing that, im sure i can make one up thats fairly close to the iron hands anyway.


Sir Samuel Buca - Thank you

 Jackal wrote:
Im not too big on the fluff surrounding knights, so wanted to ask and see what i can find out.
I know knights are usually from a household or a freeblade, but do they ever fight directly for a chapter?

I have an iron hands army and i wanted it to fit in with the theme, but was wondering if they ever actually used a chapters heraldry or only ever their own.
I just like the idea of a knight in an IH theme.

Thanks

Sure, why not.

1.) It's your model, you paid for it, do what ya want.
2.) Justifiable fluff - the knight had to be repainted for a particular reason, maybe not to be confused for the enemy, or hq wanted conformity, or whatever you make up.
3.) See #1


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Mine was painted like boba fett

krazynadechukr - My iron hands army is a long time project im working on and more than likely wont be used for a while now.
Kind of being over the top on everything with them and trying to bring them more inline with fluff to make sure they are accurate.

Making a fluffy army thats heavily converted (every model) and able to actually work as a coherent list isnt that quick lol.

But i do see the reasoning and im sure i could pull a few random ideas if needed.
Just wanted to check some of this 1st since i have very little knowledge of the older knight fluff.

 Manchu wrote:

 Jackal wrote:
So in theory, having a freeblade with both forms of heraldry (its own and IH mixed in) would be fine?

Well, I don't think there is a direct example of that in the dex. They do have House knights showing IF and UM heraldry along with their own. I am not sure if Astartes chapters would be prejudiced against freeblades (since they do not belong to houses). For example, the IH have very close ties with Adpetus Mechanicus. They might be offended that a knight is just going about on his own rather than in the service of Mars (or at least Terra, via an Imperium-aligned house). I guess Astartes would look down on mercenaries generally.

If you want a knight to go with your IH, just use one of the Mechanicum-aligned Knight Houses mentioned in the dex and add IH (or IH clan) heraldry as per the example of the other house using chapter heraldry.

Actually in the Codex the Iron Hands are shown to have a close relationship with the Freeblade known as Justice.

Animus wrote:

Actually in the Codex the Iron Hands are shown to have a close relationship with the Freeblade known as Justice.

^This.

If you're working in established fluff, you're still covered!

If you want to make up your own freeblade, then have at it! Maybe your Iron Hands were defending some planet and he just kind of showed up because he was chasing after whatever army your first opponent you field him against was, and while they were mistrustful at first his skill in battle won them over. Making your own freeblade's fluff fit the battles you bring him in is fun! It might actually make it fun for opponents hesitant to face it at first, too.

Animus wrote:
Actually in the Codex the Iron Hands are shown to have a close relationship with the Freeblade known as Justice.

Yeah what was I thinking, assuming GW would give a gak about established fluff.

Might be far fetched, but what are the chances of a freeblade being "funded" as it were by a chapter?

The knights really dont seem cheap to maintain or supply, so minus a bit of back story, what if a freeblade fought along side a chapter and became pretty well suited to their style of warfare and actually merged into the chapter as such?
While it is a freeblade, the iron hands would deal with repairs and funding for its use, aswell as payment.


Or maybe ive played far too many Armoured core games haha.


Also, thank you everyone for all of the replies so far

IH are notoriously chilly to outsiders (even other IH clans). I just don't see them making a freeblade an honorary IH. Then again, it's GW so the dex probably says they did and they even have slumber parties with topless pillow fights.

On one of the whats new today deals on GW's site they show a knight in Imperial Fists colors, on another unrelated reason I now want one.

That would be the aforementioned House Hawkshroud.

Manchu - While they arent keen on outsiders, they do welcome the mechanicus pretty openly, so a freeblade that originated from there might have a bit more standing.


Also, that ones hawkshroud.
Blue and gold ultramarine colours are terryn.

Seems knight households have carried chapter colours under a different name haha.

Again, I would expect the IH to wonder why this knight -- formerly loyal to Mars -- wandered off ...

There's a Hawkshroud knight wearing UM heraldry in the dex.

 Jackal wrote:
Might be far fetched, but what are the chances of a freeblade being "funded" as it were by a chapter?

Don't call it payment.

The Space Marines aren't paid either, their Chapter receives the rights to recruit from certain worlds but they're rarely taxable. The Knight doesn't assist the marines for cold hard cash, he does it for honor and advancing the Emperor's Will. If he assists an honorable Chapter they will make an effort to help him repair and rearm. If it's a Chapter like the Iron Hands, known for their technical expertise, then he's very lucky. They probably have craftsmen and artificers that can help at least with the basic maintenance of a Knight Titan. And as the Knight does more and more service in support of the Chapter they will warm up to him, at least to some degree. Being allowed to carry a piece of Iron Hands heraldry means he's worked with them a lot, or in one particularly impressiv campaign - but it's not impossible.

I've thought about making some Mechanicus Knights with Iron Hand heraldry.

Any situation could have arisen that they could hold the Iron Hands in high regard.

Perhaps a Mechanicus Loyal Knight world assaulted by Xenos. The Iron Hands arrive to find the beleaguered, but defiant, Knights mounting the forefront of the defence. Together they break the back of the Xenos. The Iron Hands are revered by the population of the Knight World and the Knights gain the respect of the Iron Hands for their strength and refusal to submit to an overwhelming foe.