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So a while back I asked for some advice on a haqqislam list, and now I've almost collected this, just because I like the models already:

Haqqislam | 8 models
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Naffatun HFT (12|0)
Naffatun HFT (12|0)
Ghulam Rifle (13|0)
Ghulam Doctor (17|0)
Ghulam Lieutenant (13|0)
Halqa Grenadier (18|1)
Odalisque Spitfire (31|1)
Tuareg Doctor (34|0)
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150/300 points | 2/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : direct link

I imagine the halqa and tuareg providing cover while some ghulam/naffatun can move up together with the odalisque. I've got two doctors, it's probably overkill in this 150pt. list but it's also because I've got these models already and I don't want to expand right now.

I've got a second army for YuJing, hopefully I can use these two armies to start playing with friends and finally learn the game, expanding up to 300 later.
Yu Jing | 7 models
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Zhanshi Combi (11|0)
Zhanshi Combi (11|0)
Zhanshi Combi (11|0)
Celestial Guard Lieutenant (13|0)
Tiger HMG (35|1.5)
Tiger Combi (27|0)
Shang Ji Combi (42|0)
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150/300 points | 1.5/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : direct link

Do you think they're balanced enough?
Then, I noticed I end up with quite a lot of models if I want to expand from these starter lists. If you guys are playing vanilla, do you tend to take more expensive models? Because with 8 models already, I've got 150 pts room left on my haqqislam list. I can't make link teams, and if I just add the models I like I come up with something like this.

Haqqislam | 12 models
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Combat Group #1
Ghulam Rifle (13|0)
Ghulam Doctor (17|0)
Ghulam Lieutenant (13|0)
Odalisque Spitfire (31|1)
Tuareg Doctor (34|0)
Janissary HMG (47|2)
Combat Group #2
Lasiq Viral (26|0)
Fiday BS (34|0)
Al-Djabel (41|0)
Naffatun HFT (12|0)
Naffatun HFT (12|0)
Halqa Grenadier (18|1)
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298/300 points | 4/6 swc
open with Aleph Toolbox : http://goo.gl/ImA7mK

I haven't played much, so maybe it's too early to think about 300pts :p But is it better to switch some cheerleaders for more valuable models, should I go sectorial to make link teams then, or will I be fine?

Btw it's been a long time I posted on this forum, though I checked regularly :p I'll post some pictures of my finished tiger soldiers soon xD


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Maybe my questions aren't that clear, what I'd like to know is:

I'm fine with the starter lists as they are, but I am not sure if they are balanced to go up against eachother, what are your toughts?

When playing 300pt. Vanilla lists, Should I replace cheerleaders with stronger models, or is it fine to have a lot of cheaper ones, even if you can't link them?

Best way to find out is play them. They may suit your style. In the first Haqq list, I'd use the Halqa as a ghulam grenadier, to be honest, and use the extra points for a nasmat to follow those naffatun. The list lacks a real long range punch of any sort, but that is not such a problem with the spitfire present-- just be careful about doctoring the Odalisque...careful as in, don't do it. NWI and doctor don't play together nicely. Play with the models use have, and use them as proxies while you learn.

Perhaps get more familliar with gameplay at 150 points, before worrying too much about 300 points. List balance is not much of a worry in Infinity, unlike many other games. It's more about finding the lists that you like to play and can play well. Oh and using the minis you like too.

Yeah, when you're starting, put together approximately 150pts. Play some games with it, and try to figure out your playstyle. Then look at expanding the list, maybe even replacing some models, with units that fit your playstyle better.

The first list looks okay, but you're right that two doctors at 150pts is a bit much. You can drop one (as in, drop one of the Doctors to a basic profile) and, as Red Harvest said, use the spare points to bring a Nasmat. The Nasmat is a little helper bot that synchronises with a Doctor. It basically lets a Doctor be in 2 places at once - 3 if you bring 2 of them.

The main issue I see with the list is model availability. The Ghulam Doctor is in the support box (with a Najjarun Engineer and 2 Nasmats). The Odalisque Spitfire is now only in the Qapu Khalki starter. The Halqa are in a blister of 2. Unless you do a lot of proxying, you're going to be buying a lot of additional models. With CB cutting down on a lot of blisters and moving stuff into combo boxes, the best places to start these days are the starter packs. Sectorial starter packs also tend to come with one model that can be expanded with a link team box (Qapu Khalki + Odalisque box, Hassassin Bhram + Muyib box, etc). I'd really recommend looking at the starter boxes to see if one appeals to you.

The Odalisque blister hasn't been discontinued as far as I'm aware, just the old Boarding Shotgun one as that model was directly replaced by the box set.

I'm with you on the rest though.

For the Ghulam Doc I just took the female trooper and gave her a white armband with the Red Crescent on it, never heard anyone complain.

 IJW wrote:
The Odalisque blister hasn't been discontinued as far as I'm aware, just the old Boarding Shotgun one as that model was directly replaced by the box set.

I was under the impression that like the Muyibs, any blisters being repacked into boxes were being given a few months grace so people could grab them.

I'll just proxy a nasmat. I don't know if I will ever buy the support pack, because I prefer the ghulam doc model over the support pack model, and the najjarun engineer can be proxied by regular ghulam imho.
I had mistaken the drone remotes pack for being separate nasmats :/ Otherwise I had bought the support pack right away, the doc model in there isn't that bad..
I converted a ghulam with bandaged head already into a halqa sort of. I just sculpted a helmet, but I'm not afraid of proxying it either. I'll consider the nasmat though

And I know I should start with 150pts. I wasn't going to do otherwise, but I was wondering if I could just expand from that list if I like it. I've looked up some bluetablepainting batreps and though it was just one vid, one guy playing vanilla haqq had a serious disadvantage against his enemy playing aleph sectorial with multiple link teams. The link teams had advantages in the active turn due to the burst +1, but also the way he could set up his teams to be very defensive in reactive turn.
The vanilla guy had to move 1 model at a time against a player that could move 3 models at a time :/ It just scares me a bit to start this game if I can't use the models I like ^^ I'm going to collect models anyway, for painting purposes, but I would really like to be able to play with them aswell :p

I also found a comment yesterday on the infinity forums from someone saying you couldn't really expand from starter lists like mine, because in Infinity you couldn't just slap some more models to your list if you're playing higher points games. You need to rework your list to form a new army with a purpose.
I always tought the Infinity line was 'it's not your list, it's you' so I hoped I could just collect models I liked and play with them ^^

And Loki I think the muyib in the hassassin starter pack is the only one you can't buy separatly to form 5 man link teams
Thx everyone for the the feedback btw


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So what I was trying to say in the third section of my response was that my question had been answered xD Both by you guys as by the comment on the Infinity forums.
Play some 150pt. games, and rework a list that works/fits me, but no slapping on some random models I like (unless by accident they do work together)

 soulcow wrote:
I'll just proxy a nasmat. I don't know if I will ever buy the support pack, because I prefer the ghulam doc model over the support pack model, and the najjarun engineer can be proxied by regular ghulam imho.
I had mistaken the drone remotes pack for being separate nasmats :/ Otherwise I had bought the support pack right away, the doc model in there isn't that bad..
I converted a ghulam with bandaged head already into a halqa sort of. I just sculpted a helmet, but I'm not afraid of proxying it either. I'll consider the nasmat though

Just a note - the Ghulam Doc still floating around in a blister and the Doc in the support pack are the same. They're both Ghulam. The separate blister Doc is the old style to fit the old Ghulam (the ones that have what looks like a hairdryer vent on the back of their vest). The one in the support pack is the new style that fits the new Ghulam in the current starter (the ones wearing backpacks).

 -Loki- wrote:
I was under the impression that like the Muyibs, any blisters being repacked into boxes were being given a few months grace so people could grab them.

Repacked into four-model boxes of the same unit type, definitely. Being repacked into a Sectorial Starter doesn't seem to have the same effect as the Odalisque Spitfire, Hafzas and Djanbazan Sniper are all still available in blisters. Of course that might change at some future point, in the same way that the three older models in the Neoterra Starter are being discontinued as blisters.