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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO3MttgvHUY

So do I measure from the two front slits, or from the top hatch?

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The Rhino rules state Top Hatch.
The big door on the roof at the back.
   
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 Sir Arun wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO3MttgvHUY

So do I measure from the two front slits, or from the top hatch?

You measure from the top hatch.

So you either measure from the big square hatch (On the right side of the pic), or the smaller round hatch (On the top left side of the pic), as these are both a top hatch.


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huh, totally overlooked that. thanks

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 DeathReaper wrote:
So you either measure from the big square hatch (On the right side of the pic), or the smaller round hatch (On the top left side of the pic), as these are both a top hatch.
Very strict down to letter RaW you might just have the tiniest argument that the front cupola is the hatch the rule is referring to. This is very much along the same lines as "Wraithguard can't shoot, they have no eyes".
Strict RaW, technically only.

But let's be honest. It isn't the hatch the rules refer to. You, me and everyone else know that full well.
You look at the model, you see that hatch isn't even in the passenger section.
The Rhino has to be the oldest 40k vehicle in their range. That has never been a hatch used by passengers. On the rare times it's even a hatch (rather than a point for weapons and equipment), it's been a crew hatch. Technical diagrams of the rhino (of which there have been many over the years) have always been clear, that is not a passenger hatch.

Technically you might have a small argument, but you will never convince anyone.

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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/529193.page

Read the above thread and it should give you the answer you're looking for.

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By the RAW the fire point could be either of the two top hatches.

The top hatch you measure from is in the front. To say that is not incorrect as far as the RAW goes.

The Intent seems to be the back hatch, but RAW it could be either.

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And from the 4th edition 'Wargear' book, circa January 2006. That makes at least three instances over at least two editions where GW has clarified that the large top hatch is the fire point.
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Rhino Fire Points


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 Ghaz wrote:
And from the 4th edition 'Wargear' book, circa January 2006....
(Emphasis mine)

We are not in 4th ed...

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An easy way to think about it is rhino vs razorback. Rhino has a firepoint because of a hatch. Razorback has no firepoints because the gun replaces the hatch.

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 FinkleLord wrote:
An easy way to think about it is rhino vs razorback. Rhino has a firepoint because of a hatch. Razorback has no firepoints because the gun replaces the hatch.

That is not accurate.

A Rhino has a firepoint because the rules say it does and tell you that the firepoint is a top hatch.

A Razorback has no firepoints because the rules say there are no firepoints on a Razorback.

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Techincally if you look at the tank i dont see how someone can shoot out of the two hatches. They would have to stand or bump the driver out of the way. The ports in front i assume are so driver can see while driving. The stormbolter on the thing is fired up top on pintle. Those two hatches should make it the rear hatch is where they shoot from... but i say this just looking at the model and how big Space Marines are and how bad the scale is with the tanks lol. I guess the driver and co-driver like marines to sit in their laps to shoot their meltaguns



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People really like to argue points that don't need to be made. There's really no reason to make hypothetical arguments that don't matter.

We have an older book that clarified what the Top Hatch was. It says "top hatch" in the rule book, and it's also the only "top hatch" over the section of the model the units reside in. People have played it that way since forever.

You shoot out the top doors on the back of the vehicle with up to 2 guys. Simple.
   
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 DeathReaper wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
And from the 4th edition 'Wargear' book, circa January 2006....
(Emphasis mine)

We are not in 4th ed...

And where has GW ever said that the two round hatches are the fire points? That's three references from two editions that clarified that its the large top hatch versus none that say its the two round hatches.

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 Ghaz wrote:
And where has GW ever said that the two round hatches are the fire points?

By stating that the firepoint is the top hatch...

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The Rhino is too small to fit 10 marines within anyway.

Please do not bring fluff into a rules discussion.

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 DeathReaper wrote:
The Intent seems to be the back hatch, but RAW it could be either.

The RAW does indeed not bother to clarify it. But the vast, vast majority of players take it as the big hatch over the passenger compartment, rather than the cupola over the driver's compartment.

There is nothing to be gained by hashing out the same RAW point over and over again.

 
   
 
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