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Well, some of you may have remembered my terrible batrep flop that was “Battle of the Cheddar: Jetlock Council vs Screamerstar!”. Pictures weren’t posting, I got busy, and it never made it past turn 1. Now, with spring break coming up, I have resolved to do a few batreps to make up for that! So with that in mind I have resolved to do a couple batreps to atone for that terrible failure. Expect some cheddarfests that will really show off the dirty stuff! Note: This “mini-series” will include allstars like O’vesa and his ugly twin, the nameless Riptide-that-tags-along. It will include everyone’s hated uncles, the Farseers on bikes, along with the obnoxious warlocks. But of course, it will also include my favorite, the Screamerstar I'm starting it off with a rematch:

Screamerstar vs Jetlock Council

Here is my list:




My Opponents List-NOTE: This was changed from the previous post as he made some last minute changes that made his list ALOT meaner



Pregame Rolls!


Mission: Purge the Alien(Primary) Scouring(Secondary).

DEPLOYMENT


Hm...I'm going second. Drat. I got 2 misfortunes and a TON of Forewarning though, which is super handy! Fateweaver I dont think will do much since his powers were underwhelming; I need to try to kill a serpent or two turn one, and then just have my Screamerstar stay away from the council until 1-2 Misfortunes get through. Then hopefully I'll be able to neuter them. For the Eldar, they're looking solid. Lots of range, the council bounces around and kills stuff. The serpents will need to get lucky to kill the Drake, but I think with volume of fire they'll bring it down pretty easily. All in all: Tough game for the Screamerstar, but having 2 misfortunes will help alot!



Daemons Turn 1


Eldar Turn 1



Daemons Turn 2


Eldar Turn 2


Daemons Turn 3


Eldar Turn 3


Daemons Turn 4


Eldar Turn 4


So right now, with his Council being a bit exposed I can get Fateweaver in there, probably kill them, then that frees up the remainder of the council to shoot down Troops choices and hold a Scouring Objective. I should be able to kill a Kabalite Squad with Pink Horrors, and hopefully the Portal can spawn some more Pink Horrors to kill a Dire Avenger squad. I expect to lose the Portalglyph next turn.

Daemons Turn 5


Eldar Turn 5




Postgame Thoughts:

Why aren't you bringing a Doomstone?

slaede wrote:
Why aren't you bringing a Doomstone?

Because this is my standard list, I am not tailoring this match. If I was tailoring it would look significantly different

Updated: Opponent's list is now up and poll is added! Who will win?

I think Deldar will win, because you have one mobile unit, while his entire army is, also its eldar, the closest cheese to tau.

I think eldar will win this by a large margin. Screamerstar may be "cheese" but it is not tournament winning like jetseers.

Be'Lakor and Fateweaver both die very easily to serpents without the grimoire.

Deployment + Pregame is up! Note: The eldar list got changed and is now MUCH more scary :(

I like the Fateweaver-Be'lakor combo... Lots of synergy ! A squad of Flesh Hounds could useful. I would be going after the serpents with the SS .

The revised eldar is just plain nasty.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
I like the Fateweaver-Be'lakor combo... Lots of synergy ! A squad of Flesh Hounds could useful. I would be going after the serpents with the SS .

The revised eldar is just plain nasty.

Yeh the combo usually is crazy flexible. I love be'lakor! The Helldrake should be trouble for him, but I need misfortune to work...

as for the revised list. Yes, it is EVIL. I wanted the game to be rough and, well, my opponent took my advice and dropped the Wraithguard for more shooting. The result should be very painful!

Do you guys not believe in terrain?

Hollismason wrote:
Do you guys not believe in terrain?

Haha unfortunately the middle of the board was light on terrain. That means I'll need to keep Fate hidden on my side and probably will have to run Be'lakor to get him into position.


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Turns 1 and 2 are up! Wow, both deathstars are neutered. The Jetlock Council still has Hit and Run, and the Daemons Screamerstar still has shooting and 2 Misfortunes, but I don't think they will be nearly as important from now on because of the damage they each just took.

Probably a bit late to make a difference, but being Misfortuned twice does nothing, once is enough to make someone re-roll their passed armour saves. Either way you can't re-roll a re-roll, so with Fortune + Misfortune you already re-roll all saves (passes from Misfortune, fails from Fortune) and the second Misfortune can't force another re-roll. Either way though this is a perfect example of why you bring Runes of Warding on the Farseers (at least one) - Misfortune is one of those powers which can seriously mess with the Council. Its weird actually because he has wasted 45 points buying Spears for all those Warlocks (which you really don't need) which would easily get him the points for Warding.

I'm also surprised he played the Council so aggressively (although the lack of terrain influences this), he has a HUGE edge over the Daemons when it comes to shooting. Once Belakor is gone you could easily play the Council defensively and just use them to block the Screamers from going crazy against the Serpents early on before jumping forward to clean up the scoring units. You aren't going to outshoot Serpents with a couple of units of Horrors and a Drake.

Powerguy wrote:
Probably a bit late to make a difference, but being Misfortuned twice does nothing, once is enough to make someone re-roll their passed armour saves. Either way you can't re-roll a re-roll, so with Fortune + Misfortune you already re-roll all saves (passes from Misfortune, fails from Fortune) and the second Misfortune can't force another re-roll. Either way though this is a perfect example of why you bring Runes of Warding on the Farseers (at least one) - Misfortune is one of those powers which can seriously mess with the Council. Its weird actually because he has wasted 45 points buying Spears for all those Warlocks (which you really don't need) which would easily get him the points for Warding.

That is correct. Casting Misfortune a 2nd time won't do anything as you can't re-roll a re-roll again. Lol.

Wow...that was brutal. He lost all his warlocks in assault? WTF?!? However, if it was played correctly, some of those warlocks would probably still be alive. BTW, did Be'lakor cast Invisibility on anyone before he died?

Be'lakor did Invisibility on the Screamerstar just in case the council made it into combat. I figured it wasn't worth it casting it on himself bc of the Serpent Shields that Ignored Cover. As for the double Misfortune, since Maledictions stack I had thought that one would cancel out Fortune, and a second would then make him reroll succesful?

As for not bringing Runes of Warding, yes that was a big mistake by my opponent The Warlocks died because he literally whiffed on almost every save he had to make. I had 8 s5 ap2 attacks, and 16 s3 attacks. All of which were Prescienced. So while my opponent made a noob mistake in being aggressive(I totally agree, he could've just used them as a shield for his serpents), I think it was offset by me losing my Grimoire Herald to some unbelievable bad rolls...

Oh well, it makes the game nice and close At this point neither of our troops have taken hits, and if I can finish his Star off in 1-2 turns I can use the Screamers to chase his Serpents and wreck them with Shooting. Fateweaver can even kill one that exposes rear/side armor. The Helldrake can kill the disembarked troops. Or the Serpents just start blowing my troops off the table. Either way, the game is anyone's at this point, But the Seer Council is still frustratingly deadly even without Warlocks.

I just need to hope I don't whiff Instability if I lose combat...

Not a bad thought on be'lakor since he was left with 2 wounds. Your opponents mistake cost him a lot. Do the screamers get the substitute attack and then add the charge attack bonus or is this solved and they simply get a single each?

Very exciting so far !

Bad move taking no runes for the eldar, also bad dice rolling all around.

Can't wait for rounds 3/4!

jathomas2013 wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
Do you guys not believe in terrain?

Haha unfortunately the middle of the board was light on terrain. That means I'll need to keep Fate hidden on my side and probably will have to run Be'lakor to get him into position.


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Turns 1 and 2 are up! Wow, both deathstars are neutered. The Jetlock Council still has Hit and Run, and the Daemons Screamerstar still has shooting and 2 Misfortunes, but I don't think they will be nearly as important from now on because of the damage they each just took.

You have a 2++ re rollable on the screamerstar, there is no need to put invis on them as well. Any decent player will look at the screamers and think it is not worth shooting them and shoot the rest of your units, you need to make them as resilient as your screamers or as close to, invis would have been much better served on Fatey or on Belakor himself. Seeing where your screamers are and where the WS's are you could easily kill one WS and be outside of charge range of the seercouncil.

Also when he assaulted the screamers I hope he got a low roll for charge range, as he HAS to engage models not in base to base with one of his models during each charge move and pile in move if possible and as you allocate wounds based on the intative step of each wound pool having just one screamer in BTB with a model from his seer council you can take all wounds on him.

MarkyMark wrote:


Also when he assaulted the screamers I hope he got a low roll for charge range, as he HAS to engage models not in base to base with one of his models during each charge move and pile in move if possible and as you allocate wounds based on the intative step of each wound pool having just one screamer in BTB with a model from his seer council you can take all wounds on him.

That's a good point on moving in, and certainly would've changed the game!


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Batrep finished! Holy crap that was CLOSE. I definitely thought I'd lose with my terribad dice rolls, but managed to squeak out a tie!

Epic !!!

Whoa....that was some bad dice. I thought you had it after taking out his warlocks.

 jy2 wrote:
Whoa....that was some bad dice. I thought you had it after taking out his warlocks.

Yeh I felt super confident going into bottom of turn 2, but then as soon as I saw his Hit&Run I was like "Huh, well that might be a problem". Then I failed the Look Out Sirs and I was like "Uh oh..." Then I failed the saves and I was like "DAMNIT ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!". I even used Fateweaver's reroll on the save and still failed it. Oh well, my opponent played pretty well this game so I'm happy about that!

Few more things, units cannot assault out of the portalglpyh, nor do horrors that spawn from it, or the herald from the failed 3d6 test get warp charges so they are unable to shoot that turn. With more play testing with the screamers they are def able to win this match up.

MarkyMark wrote:
Few more things, units cannot assault out of the portalglpyh, nor do horrors that spawn from it, or the herald from the failed 3d6 test get warp charges so they are unable to shoot that turn. With more play testing with the screamers they are def able to win this match up.

My mistake, thought it was open-topped! As for the Horrors/Heralds...that's like saying that the Tau Sunshark doesn't have any Pulse Bombs so can't bomb. And in the BAO faq it was added that they generate a power when spawned(For both the Portapotty and 11 on Warpstorm).

And yes, Daemons definitely could've won this one I think I'll rematch my opponent on Sunday. Though I have some fun CSM lists I kinda wanna try. Not sure...

Hopefully my dice aren't malicious again!

Not really, psykers generate warp charges start of turn, the horrors or herald isnt alive at the start of turn so cannot generate any. Its a strange thing to FAQ thats for sure seeing it is clearer that some rules RAW.

I think you are the only person to think that Pink Horrors/HoT spawned should remain useless using RAW lol.

At any rate, the rematch will be fun Though I probably won't batrep it. Something tells me batreping the same two lists twice in a week won't be fun, and likely won't be very fun to read either!

Actually, true RAW is pretty stupid. According to true RAW, a psyker created mid-game doesn't even get any psychic powers, because those are generated at the beginning of the game. But no one plays it that way.

Here in the West Coast (where jathomas is from), we tend to follow the LVO/BAO FAQ's. According to those, a psyker created mid-game does get its powers and comes in with 1 warp charge.

jathomas2013 wrote:
I think you are the only person to think that Pink Horrors/HoT spawned should remain useless using RAW lol.

At any rate, the rematch will be fun Though I probably won't batrep it. Something tells me batreping the same two lists twice in a week won't be fun, and likely won't be very fun to read either!

Its all fun and more importantly a good learning experince!. I do run screamercouncl and have coming up to a year, if something is not clear RAW then I tend to go with what benefits me least. But yea Jim is correct RAW psykers dont get powers!, here we use the GT FAQ for most events, this one says they can generate powers but still dont generate warp charges. Horses for courses I guess.

Now I'm not sure if I want a rematch first or play with different lists...
I think next week will be white scars vs O'vesa Star, and the week after will be BeastStar vs Flying Circus. Not sure yet though...