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**Mathieu Raymond**

It's getting tiresome, really, because he ignores refutations, and arbitrarily defines what he prefers just as "what I get from RH." Everything else might be covered in gold, if it's not RH, it's gak to him.

**BrookM**

This one is a real kicker:

Raging heroes answer question too (someone get a mail, i has some answer on the FB page too). Without taking people for useless things just good to pay .

Do not compare creature caster and RH, they are very different, one of the two wants to make good minis, the other recycle old minis and sell them with higher price.

I trust more the one who make good minis and do not take me for a sheep.

**Krinsath**

skarsol wrote:
I am terribly amused that someone is trying to say RH communicates better than the Creature Caster guys.

That's the most bizarre way to spell "anyone not running an outright scam" I've ever seen. Of companies I believe will deliver their products, RH ranks pretty much at the bottom with Palladium (very hard to decide between those two; PB communicates more but it's typically marketing lies so does that count?). So yeah, RH are much, much better than Defiance. Huzzah!

**Buzzsaw**

Cross posting;

Buzzsaw just now
Hah! francois vansmansart[sic] must be the paradigmatic fan of Raging Heroes: a clear and honest answer is treated with contempt, while bluster and wind from RH merits his worship. An attempt to answer all questions is damnable, while a commitment to ignore as many questions as possible is laudable.
I'm endlessly amused by the notion that what CC is doing is derivative, while Raging Heroes are bold pioneers in heretofore unexplored concepts. Yes, the TGG are not at all reminiscent of any popular lines of infantry from other large manufacturers. Not in the slightest. Nope!
Putting aside snark at the expense of the ignorant, Spencer brings up a very important point: delays affect price. money today is worth more then money tomorrow. At a certain point of delay, the discount on items, the freebies and so on stop compensating for the delay. At that point, rather then there being a discount, the backers will have ended up paying MORE THEN RETAIL on the goods delivered.
As a fun bit of game, let's start asking what Kickstarter Campaigns that ended after TGG but will complete delivery before TGG;
Creature Caster was mentioned, they are still running, can they meet their delivery date of November 2014? That would put them between the Second and Third waves of TGG.
Mantic Games' Deadzone or Dreadball Xtreme? Hmmm...
Super Dungeon Explore: Forgotten King by Soda Pop Miniatures? If they can stick their shipping the too should fall between the 2nd and 3rd waves.
Anyone have any other potentials?

This really got me thinking about how many campaigns are going to be able to 'lap' RH on this. Which in turn gets to why I think that future campaigns are going to look more and more like Forgotten King and Creature Caster then TGG, Sedition Wars and Relic Knights. The dangers of over-extending, of getting pledges on concept art alone.

**BrookM**

Unfair comparison, but I've got a feeling I'll have my KDM stuff way before TGG.

**Hulksmash**

Pretty sure Wrath of Kings will be in hand before the first wave of TGG ships. Heck, I wouldn't put it past Mecha Front to also complete before TGG ships and that KS doesn't end for 48 more hours.

**Forar**

Not to mention that the August delivery target has already been bumped back to Oct/Nov due to starting to unlock the Heavy mechs, and a non-zero chance to go even further in the event things blow up in the next 48 hours and the quads unlock.

But yeah, I figure I'll have the pewter figures from that before I get the plastic figures from RRT wave 2, and quite possibly before they get around to wave 1.

Another similarity, other than the 80%/98% comparison, is the use of "Delicious" here, and "Mouth watering" in the Palladium campaign.

What is it with these people? Were they taught by the same gaky-kickstarter Sensei?

Edit: with all these issues, watch out for massive seam lines in the most obnoxious of places.

You'll know 'em when you see 'em, if they follow suit.

**BrookM**

Did you Robotech guys already get a pledgemanager?

**Alpharius**

They did - a looooong time ago.

And much cash was added to Palladium's coffers, to the chagrin of many, if not all, outside of Palladium...

**Forar**

Yeah, according to Palladium, it was something around 10%, meaning it basically offset the ~10% lost from losing Kickstarter/Amazon's cut of whatever they brought in. I could swear they also said only around 5% of backers failed to pay up (Kickstarter has said that on average, 15% of backers fail to contribute), so that's pretty solid, but also means that the "1.4 million" they got is only a vague guideline at best.

But we do know they brought in a ton of cash, and over 11 months later have nothing to show for it.

Sorry, we have a pledge manager and them producing 3 convention exclusive pewter figures that only attendees could buy and they flat out refused to let backers pay to have access to.

Yes. People offered to pay for them to be included with their KS backer box, and they said Nope.

**BrookM**

Waaaaait, those convention exclusives, did you guys also finance those? Or did they somehow do that with their own money?

**Forar**

The first one (Battlepod) was done for Adepticon, if I'm not mistaken, so no to that one.

The other two (a Battloid ("Max") and a Female Power Armour ("Miriya")) were at Gencon. While there's no way to know whether or not the money was pulled from Kickstarter funding or their own resources (... *cough*), yes, they were released roughly 2 months after PB had received the funding from Amazon/Kickstarter/whoever cuts the cheques.

**-iPaint-**

I'm expecting Dwarven Forge to deliver on their Caverns KS before I get all of my RH stuff (doing 1 big shipment, not bothering with this "wave" stuff), and that just wrapped up a few weeks ago.

Dwarven Forge's last KS was turned around in about half a year, and delivered pretty much right when they said they'd deliver (maybe a week or so late if people got their stuff in November). Quality product, great communication and feedback with customers, and a painless post-KS fulfillment, so much so that I pledged nearly 3x what I did the first time round for their second KS.

If RH had been even 1/10 as good as DF on their campaign, I doubt we'd have had much to complain about. Instead, we get empty promises, missed deadlines, poor communication, and delays in delivery. I am guessing the TGG KS will be completely finished by Q1 2015, going off of the current rate of (non)productivity.

~iPaint

**Forar**

It might just be me, but whenever a KS gives a target month for delivery, I always assume we're lucky if they even start shipping 1 second before midnight on the last day of the month.

If I'm not mistaken, DF started shipping out in the middle of October when they had a target of October. So from my perspective, at least, they actually started off a couple weeks early.

Not that I expect everyone else to share that view, but considering how many campaigns deliver late, being as generous as I can (and generally adding another 3/6/12/whatever months) helps keep me from going too crazy when the inevitable delays happen).

**Jimsolo**

-iPaint- wrote:

Dwarven Forge's last KS was turned around in about half a year, and delivered pretty much right when they said they'd deliver (maybe a week or so late if people got their stuff in November). Quality product, great communication and feedback with customers, and a painless post-KS fulfillment, so much so that I pledged nearly 3x what I did the first time round for their second KS.

I'd really like there to be a 'just drive over and pick up my stuff since I live like five minutes away' option for shipping. Last time, I discovered there was nothing more maddening than knowing your product is DONE and just sitting there...waiting.

**Yodhrin**

Forar wrote:
It might just be me, but whenever a KS gives a target month for delivery, I always assume we're lucky if they even start shipping 1 second before midnight on the last day of the month.

If I'm not mistaken, DF started shipping out in the middle of October when they had a target of October. So from my perspective, at least, they actually started off a couple weeks early.

Not that I expect everyone else to share that view, but considering how many campaigns deliver late, being as generous as I can (and generally adding another 3/6/12/whatever months) helps keep me from going too crazy when the inevitable delays happen).

We're not talking about a few days delay in shipping though, or even a few months, wave 1 was supposed to ship September 2013, and fulfillment was supposed to be complete by last month. Now you could be charitable and say that the delays are mostly due to the success of the campaign being unexpected and they unlocked so much extra stuff blah blah, but for two things; one, they made a HUEG deal about how long and thorough their preparation was for the KS, how they'd planned for every eventuality, how they were implementing Super Special Secret Workflow Systems to ensure they could cope with any eventuality, so either they were lying out their arses about that or despite all that preparation they were still incompetent enough that we're now sitting a few weeks away from the campaign's 1 year anniversary without any sign of even the pledge manager other than a blurry photograph of a screenshot of a beta version - and two, we know from their own communications to us, laughably incoherent and infrequent as they are, that a lot of the delays are down to them scrapping months of work and (estimated)tens of thousands of dollars of KS money as they pursue their unattainable and pretentious level of "perfection" for the models, to the point that stuff which was fully-rendered during the kickstarter campaign itself and receiving almost universal praise have now been scrapped and started over from scratch.

To sum up, either;

or

**Mathieu Raymond**

Nice one. I'll take the Jean Dujardin route any day.

Had a French girl come into the store the other day. She works for a boss who barely speaks French, and emails her everything in English. She handed me an email of his, on which there were "instructions" to have his precious photograph printed. When I asked her why it was dated from early January and had a rating of "High" as a priority, she shrugged and gave me the equivalent of "so what?" I asked if she'd been swamped at work and forgotten about it... and here's the kicker: "if a boss wants something done fast, then he ought to do it himself. If it's handed to me, I'll do it when I want to."

Granted, one individual, not a group as a whole, but it's not the first time I hear such words from across the Atlantic.

**Snapdragon**

Having lived next door to France for a while, it's kind of a country-wide thing. It's nice to go there and slow down a bit, but when you want something on a strict deadline, you better calculate it in dog years...

**KalashnikovMarine**

This approach to business is why the French are such an international business powerhouse...

**Wehrkind**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Nice one. I'll take the Jean Dujardin route any day.

Had a French girl come into the store the other day. She works for a boss who barely speaks French, and emails her everything in English. She handed me an email of his, on which there were "instructions" to have his precious photograph printed. When I asked her why it was dated from early January and had a rating of "High" as a priority, she shrugged and gave me the equivalent of "so what?" I asked if she'd been swamped at work and forgotten about it... and here's the kicker: "if a boss wants something done fast, then he ought to do it himself. If it's handed to me, I'll do it when I want to."

Granted, one individual, not a group as a whole, but it's not the first time I hear such words from across the Atlantic.

Wow... that girl must have had some very functional body parts to go with that attitude to still be employed months later...

**Mathieu Raymond**

She works in the legal system, too. So it's no wonder we are log-jammed, either.

**BrookM**

I wonder, if we heap on more praise, will things go faster?

**Forar**

Ugh. There's a 'faction' of the Palladium Apologists that believes things are in part being held up or the end result will suffer because we're asking mean questions/not being nice enough to them.

Don't go down that road. It's not pretty.

**Cypher-xv**

It shouldn't matter if the RRT backers are mean. PB is a business and their feelings shouldn't be a consideration. You don't see GW slowing down on releases cause of the ward hate on the net. But I get what you mean. Last weeks murmur Kevin made a point about no longer expanding books when his freelancers give him more ideas or he has more in his head. Basically because the fans gave him gak for being very late must have upset him. Poor baby.

**Wehrkind**

That is one thing I have noticed in the gaming industry that I find odd: the lack of professionalism. Not just the gaming industry perhaps, but the hobby businesses that people get into in general. I sometimes wonder if people don't start their own companies in the fields not because they don't like working for someone else, but rather just don't like working, and are under the impressing working for themselves will be easier. That is of course a wildly inaccurate belief!

**Forar**

Not to clog up the thread with RRT of course, we have our own massive thread for those shenanigans. But the parallels are uncanny at times, just thought I'd head that one off at the pass.

**Mathieu Raymond**

That's not quite the case with Raging Heroes though, as they have been producing a few minis for a few years.

When we had Jeremy B Teboul in Montreal for a painting seminar (Mathieu Fontaine thinks I drink too much, by the way. It was a single bottle wine, for my defence.

) I got the feeling that there is a lot of mobility in Europe for sculptors, and companies seem to come and go very easily, too.

So in a sense, I'd say, in retrospect, we might as well button down and grab what when can while we can.

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Not commenting on Forar's use of Palladium as a comparison, I was responding to Wehrkind.

**BrookM**

So, grab what's available soon, because they may be gone tomorrow eh?

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Alsooooo, I'm surprised they haven't given us that digital artbook yet, that would please some of us.

Wait, lemme guess, it's either not done, or is still being worked on, but scrapped and redone a zillion times over.

**Wehrkind**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
That's not quite the case with Raging Heroes though, as they have been producing a few minis for a few years.

When we had Jeremy B Teboul in Montreal for a painting seminar (Mathieu Fontaine thinks I drink too much, by the way. It was a single bottle wine, for my defence. ) I got the feeling that there is a lot of mobility in Europe for sculptors, and companies seem to come and go very easily, too.

So in a sense, I'd say, in retrospect, we might as well button down and grab what when can while we can.

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Not commenting on Forar's use of Palladium as a comparison, I was responding to Wehrkind.

I dunno. I know they have been around for a bit (I have their first 3 models, number 10 of each I think) but they haven't exactly been churning out tons of stuff since then. They have done some good stuff, but they haven't been setting the world on fire. My guess would be that they were doing pretty well when they could goof off a bit and put out a few kits here and there every few months, but when they got this huge influx of cash and suddenly had to deal with putting together dozens of kits and heroines, as well as hiring new people and the nightmare that HR requirements cause, things took a turn. They probably are a good bit over their heads, but don't want to admit it.

**Buzzsaw**

I noticed something odd (also, anyone care to translate what is going down on the comments page? It seems like it's going to be baguettes at noon soon...);

Buzzsaw 1 minute ago
Well, that escalated quickly... moving on.
I was digging back through the first updates to this campaign (which is well worth it for the amusement), and came across something I had completely forgotten about in update #9; a mention of having Hoang Nguyen (creator of the Carbon Grey comic) do some art for TGG. Did that ever actually happen?
I noticed something else very odd: the figures that have been announced for the first wave don't correspond to the figures that are listed as "Available at Launch". The figures listed on the front page as "Available at Launch" are;
Jailbirds: Tanya Tanker, and Cruz, Heavy Gunner,
Kurganovas: Karmina Noxx and Aaqila Noyakin,
I.E.: #42, Lt. Colonel Kruger and Drusilla (the KS Exclusive)
Going by the list presented in update #84, only Cruz is going to be available in Wave One. That seems... odd...

I really did forget about Mr. Nguyen, and the disconnect between what should be available and what will be available is just... was there an explanation for that? By what logic could those figures not be the most refined at this point?