Imperial Knights and tournaments.

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**Kal-El**

So are tournaments going to allow these since they have their own codex? I'd really like to play some with one.

**Spinner**

Totally depends on the tournament.

**Rezyn**

Yeah I was chatting with a GW rep at the local GW store and he was saying "they would have to", yet I spoke with another guywho runs a FLGS and he said he wasnt going to allow them.

Soooo yeah. Totally depends on the tournament..

**kronk**

Kal-El wrote:
So are tournaments going to allow these since they have their own codex? I'd really like to play some with one.

Every Tournament Organizer is juggling what to allow right now. Whether it's Escalation, Stronghold Assault, Forge World rules, Formations, Data Sheets, the umpteen data slates that came out during Christmas, Lords of War, and painted/unpainted.

Talk to the guys that run your local tournaments, man.

**Kal-El**

My local area is pretty expansive, about a 4-8 hour bubble around where I live. I feel like that if more and more tournaments allow them in, then more will catch on and start allowing them. Fortifications was kinda like this iirc...so think it's possible the knights will too? Right now I'm just looking for an overall outlook from people...not my bubble.

1 store is allowing the. In one tournament, but not another currently because it was a previous rule no supers.

**Accolade**

Rezyn wrote:
Yeah I was chatting with a GW rep at the local GW store and he was saying "they would have to", yet I spoke with another guywho runs a FLGS and he said he wasnt going to allow them.

This seems to be the new GW mantra- just put all of the expansions into the main rules, then they have no choice! You have to buy our big kits! *Cackle*

It's like someone at GW thought they came up with the secret reason why everyone doesn't gravitate towards Apocalypse-size games. It's not a cost or preference issue, we just haven't been told what to do yet.

**namiel**

As much as I hate D weapons in regular 40k the knight titan is not overpowered with it. I think the unit is right for what it is and honestly will shake the game up quite a bit.

**Kilkrazy**

Rezyn wrote:
Yeah I was chatting with a GW rep at the local GW store and he was saying "they would have to", yet I spoke with another guywho runs a FLGS and he said he wasnt going to allow them.

Soooo yeah. Totally depends on the tournament..

If GW sponsored a tournament on the terms that it had to include Knight Titans, then it would include Knight Titans. Otherwise it would be up to the organiser.

**Matt1785**

I'm heading to a tournament in Virginia at the end of the month that's allowing them. Lots of other events are allowing them in as well since they're a Codex. Eh, I suppose I don't have as much of a problem with them as I used to, but they're still pretty good.

**Kal-El**

Matt1785 wrote:
I'm heading to a tournament in Virginia at the end of the month that's allowing them. Lots of other events are allowing them in as well since they're a Codex. Eh, I suppose I don't have as much of a problem with them as I used to, but they're still pretty good.

This is good news IMO.

**Guarder22**

I'm going to play in a doubles tournament this weekend (1000pts per player, 2 players per team) and the knights are allowed because the organizers feel that they are on par with riptides in terms of power and difficulty to kill.

**Kal-El**

Guarder22 wrote:
I'm going to play in a doubles tournament this weekend (1000pts per player, 2 players per team) and the knights are allowed because the organizers feel that they are on par with riptides in terms of power and difficulty to kill.

Right on! I hope they are right.

**PrinceRaven**

Guarder22 wrote:
I'm going to play in a doubles tournament this weekend (1000pts per player, 2 players per team) and the knights are allowed because the organizers feel that they are on par with riptides in terms of power and difficulty to kill.

Which I feel is a better argument against Riptides than for Knights.

At least Riptides can be dealt with in close combat...

**Ascalam**

So can knights

You just have to expect a huge smoking crater afterwards

**greyknight12**

I personally would be very interested to see how a full knight army did at a tournament, but I personally think that they won't be accepted in that form for awhile.

**PrinceRaven**

I suspect people will be more likely to ally in psychic support and some anti-air than run full Knights.

Ascalam wrote:
So can knights

Provided you can (A) hurt it, (B) strike before it or survive 3 Strength D attacks, (C) deal with 6 hull points at AV 13, and (D) catch it.

Riptides are slower, have even worse CC ability than a Haruspex, and are susceptible to tarpits, poison and instant death.

**Ascalam**

I play DE

Lances and Haywire hurt it,

3 S D attacks on a single unit are of limited use when multiple units are attacking it, and they swing simultaneously..,

Haywire and Lances work well on AV 13

DE can catch it

Haven't tried it with Orks yet. Will let you know.

Downed one with Nurgle daemons, but haven't played against them enough to say for certain.

**PrinceRaven**

I was talking about close combat...

**Ascalam**

Ok, so take out the word Lances

Everything else holds true in my statement.

**PrinceRaven**

Can Dark Eldar even hurt AV 13 in combat?

**Lobokai**

I can't think of a reason not to allow a new codex into a 40k tourney. Frankly I'd rather see 6th ed Eldar kept out if we're just picking things we think are OP and don't want to deal with.

**Ascalam**

Apparently someone has been lucky enough to have never experienced Haywire grenades

In short, yes they can. Wyches with haywire grenades are one of the best tank-hunting units in the codex.

Frankly though, DE don't need to CC a knight. They can just flank and gank it at range

I've fought four battles with my DE vs Knights so far, and on every occasion the knight or knights (there was one battle with two) have died without doing that impressive an amount if damage.

One even went down hard to a Talos, after being tarpitted by several units of Wyches, Granted the ensing exposion took out the wyches and the Talos, but it won me the game

**dracpanzer**

Lobukia wrote:
I can't think of a reason not to allow a new codex into a 40k tourney. Frankly I'd rather see 6th ed Eldar kept out if we're just picking things we think are OP and don't want to deal with.

I said just as much about an upcoming team tournament behind held locally. Apparently the tourney organizer is partial to his Eldar. They don't have to include them, but I don't have to give them my money to attend either. Probably just rent a table at the LGS to play on while they play "safe" 40k.

**PrinceRaven**

Ascalam wrote:
Apparently someone has been lucky enough to have never experienced Haywire grenades

Someone uses a Codex that doesn't contain vehicles.

Of all the things I worry about when it comes to Dark Eldar, their abilities in close combat don't rank very high up on the list.

**Ascalam**

Fair enough then

Didn't notice your Nid rank

I prefer to not get my DE close enough to get beaten up, given the chance...

They are pretty mean against vehicles though

**Kal-El**

I'd like to stomp around in 3 of them.

**nosferatu1001**

Nothing forces a tourhament to use any codex, if they dont want to include it.

It is however a MUCH tougher proposition to ban a *codex* than it is to ban "super heavy vehicles" or the like - as once you start banning a codex as you dont like it, then youre going to have people saying "why not Tau? why not Eldar?" - it starts to seem a much more arbitrary distinction.

They are a 40k codex, and thus any decent tournament going forward should use them. If they dont (and I dont have a knight army) then I will be less inclided to intend, as it suggests they may have other changes to the game I also dont like.

**Makumba**

If someone says ok to D weapons , then the tournament is already something that people wouldn't like.

**phatonic**

D weapon close attack aint as scary as ranged attack D weapons, ive played against a full knigth titan army before and i will still use the same tactic, deffrollah battlewagons with boarding planks(powerklaw) good thing about em being walkers they cant do death and glory

and remember! The blast scatters!

**ZebioLizard2**

Having fought a 1500-2000 list of Imperial Knights, it actually feels far easier then facing a pure Eldar or Tau myself, the lack of high powered shots that care not for cover, or the ones that ignore cover fully means I don't have to yank as many off the board.