Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Here is what I have so far and sitting at 1896 points. I want to use the Helbrutes, Defiler and, Forgefiend to march up the field with the Warpsmith for repairs. Deep strike in my Terminators and lord while my troops take objectives. I am shy 104 points and not sure what to add or rearrange to fit my list. Sorry if it looks like crap this is my first real time submitting a list.


Chaos Lord- GoM, MoT, SoC, Terminator Armor, combi-weapon, P. Axe
Warpsmith
5 Terminators- MoT 3 P. Fists, 1 Chainfist, 2 combi-meltas, with dual LCs and GoM on champ
Helbrute- P Scourge
Helbrute- P Scourge
10 CSM- 2x Plasma, rhino
10 CSM- Exchanged Bolters for CCW, GoM, P. Fist, Melta Bombs, and LC on champ, rhino
Heldrake- Baleflamer
Defiler- 2 Havoc Launcher, Reaper Autocannon
Forgefiend
5 Havocs- 2 Autocannons, 1 Lascannon, 1 ML w/ flakk missiles

Welcome to Dakka! Here, let me format the list (it is pretty hard to read)

Chaos Lord- GoM, MoT, SoC, Terminator Armor, combi-weapon, P. Axe
Warpsmith
5 Terminators- 3 P. Fists, 1 Chainfist, 2 combi-meltas, with dual LCs and GoM on champ
Helbrute- P Scourge
Helbrute- P Scourge
10 CSM- GoM, P. Fist, Melta Bombs, and LC on champ
Heldrake- Baleflamer
Defiler- Havoc Launcher
Forgefiend
5 Havocs- 2 Autocannons, 1 Lascannon, 1 ML w/ flakk missiles

In Codex: CSM you have to be very careful about your lists, each part must contribute to the whole. The key is synergy, redundancy, and knowing which upgrades to take on which units and which ones not to take.
Some problems with your list:
1) You're running your terminators like SS/TH loyalist terminators, but no matter how much makeup you put on a pig, its not a girlfriend, still just a pig. I wouldn't take terminators unless you're an experienced CSM player and have some games under your belt, and you have a specific task for them. For instance, after I get some more games done, I think I'll put Ahriman in a squad of 5 Tzeentch Terminators with flamers and axes, because he has a lot of 12"/template witchfires, but he doesnt want to get into CC, so the terminators serve as meatshields from shooting, and serve to deter charges with powerful CC and overwatch abilities.
2) Going back to what I said about upgrades earlier, CSM are one of the units best taken with almost no upgrades. Give em 2X the same special weapon and a rhino and they're good. If you really want to trick out the champion, it should only be because the squad has flamers/melta and might end up in CC. If that is the case, you will want to give him a LC or P. Sword. Use that I4! P. axes and P. fists are reserved for Plague Marines (who attack last often anyway) or terminators (who are durable enough to attack last)
3) Don't mix weapons on havocs. Unlike Longfangs from the SW Codex, they cannot splitfire. If you're looking for versatility, take oblits. If you have a task in mind and you want the highest DPS, take havocs with 4X the same weapon
4) You replaced your MMs on your Helbrutes with P fists, why? Helbrutes simply cannot be equipped for CC. They have no method for getting into CC and once they get there they are rather unintimidating with 3 or 4 Str 10 AP 2 attacks that many other melee units have or can beat and they only have 1 or 2 HP left at that point anyway

If I were to make a Daemon Engine List, it would look like this:

2000 points balanced list

Warpsmith- AoDG
Warpsmith- AoDG
10 CSM- 2 plasma, rhino
10 CSM- 2 melta, rhino, LC on Champ
10 CSM- 2 flamer, rhino, LC on Champ
Heldrake- Baleflamer
Heldrake- Baleflamer
Helbrute- Reaper AC, ML
Helbrute- Reaper AC, ML
Forgefiend
Forgefiend
Defiler

Look how much armor saturation we have! Your goal will be to eliminate all Anti-armor your foe has, then wipe the board. Keep your troops somewhat safe and grab stuff late game. This list has 55 pts to spare btw

Thanks Changer, I updated the OP.

I figured the Brutes would lower the WS of the enemy by 2d3 with 2 P. Scourges. Along with the defiler to smash up stuff after using it's along the way, then the Warpsmith could repair.

Kinda feeling Helbrutes will be a lot more fun to field now with the new Dataslate

I think you might find the new Helbrute Dataslates complimentary to your list.