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So I'm reaching out to any 30k FW Legion players, for some advice on Squad loadouts and tactics.

I'm currently thinking of running my Iron Hands like so..

2 x 20man Tactical Squad (Power fist and Combi-flamer, AA) (not sure what transport yet)

1 x 10man Dev (4 ML, 2 x LC, 3 HB - Sgt Nuncio-Vox)

But I have no idea about the Termies....I was going with GORGON Terminator Squad but there are some odd choices, like Combi-Botler and lightning claw, and I'm not sure what to do. I want a hard hitting unit, but without stormshields, I'm not sure about investing many points, the Power Axe seems *meh* the sgt gets a Thunder hammer (good) . Should I just use the points to take more Termies and keep them Generic (Combi-Bolter and Power Axe?)

I'm also not sure about the TACTICAL SQUAD, as it's all about "Fury of the legion" and getting 80 Bolter shots off, should I even bother with a PF and Combi-flamer? Or is it worth investing in a kick-ass Sgt?

I would also take advice on the DEV load out, I was thinking of throwing a Centurion - Master of Signal in with the DEV's and my HQ would be AUTEK MOR (BOOK 2 IH character).

You can't swap out weapons like that on the Heavy Support Squad, it's an illegal squad as dictated by this rule ("If chosen then all the heavy bolters in the squad must be exchanged for the same weapon")

The Tactical Squad is more about Dakka, so an AA on the sarge is good, if you need more power I suppose you could try plasma or melta, as the combi-bolter still works with fury of the legion, but you don't really want a PF/flamer on there, as an IH you want to be in shooting distance rather then that close.

Gorgons are pretty good as is with Power Axe, as they are I3 so they won't be striking before most MEQ in 30k Anyways, not to mention that bolters hit them on S3 (Inviolate Armor), and so they'll reach combat even as they walk, they are also quite a steal at 35 points for what they provide. Not sure what heavy weapon you'd want on them though, heavy flamers usually good but so is the graviton gun.

Like he said, all heavy weapons need to be the same. Personally I skip the vox and keep the sgt with his heavy weapon as well.

Tactical depends on what you are doing. I field Night Lords so more is always better for me, and I field a twenty man tac and a 20 man assault squad as the base of any non-ROW list. I usually just give the sgt a power weapon and melta bombs and the squad a vexilla.

At 275 points, all that stuff is a steal. Now with your list I think you have some sort of Legion related vehicle buff and think a Spartan would be awesome making a tough vehicle far tougher.

I don't know on your specific terminators. On mine I simply field them with a plasma blaster, 4 combi weapons and all with power fists, but to be honest, I rarely use them. My other options are more fun.

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Like he said, all heavy weapons need to be the same. Personally I skip the vox and keep the sgt with his heavy weapon as well.

Tactical depends on what you are doing. I field Night Lords so more is always better for me, and I field a twenty man tac and a 20 man assault squad as the base of any non-ROW list. I usually just give the sgt a power weapon and melta bombs and the squad a vexilla.

At 275 points, all that stuff is a steal. Now with your list I think you have some sort of Legion related vehicle buff and think a Spartan would be awesome making a tough vehicle far tougher.

I don't know on your specific terminators. On mine I simply field them with a plasma blaster, 4 combi weapons and all with power fists, but to be honest, I rarely use them. My other options are more fun.

They actually don't unless they use blessed auto (costs points) and it regens a HP on 6's.

Their main rule is Inviolate armor (-1S on all shooting attacks made against those with legion astartes rules)

So they can tank shooting very well (S3 bolters!)

Okay, thanks for clarifying the DEV's I missed that, I think to stop the Dev Squad being a points sink, I'll go all HB or ML. I suppose I could take 2 smaller squads with different weapon loadouts, as I have a slot free in Heavy.

I already have a spartan...So thats covered.



So given what you've said, I might up to 10 Gorgons and take them as is, riding with my Praetor aka "Autek Mor" riding in the Spartan as a Shock and Awe unit.

With regards to the Tacticals - I might just give the Sgt AA, and leave him at that. I always used to take PF in 40k, but with the Size of Squad, inside 12" I should be able to total most of the bigger stuff with massed Bolter fire. I might take a Melta Bomb, just in case my squad ends up entangled with a Heavy ARMOUR 13 / 14 vehicle.

I was also pondering on a tactic, using the shooting rules of hitting the nearest model, I conceived of using a BREACHER SQUAD as a Shield wall for a Tactical Squad. Not sure on this one, I haven't played enough 6th to be sure of my ground here, but putting an Immortal Squad (6-8) infront of a Tactical Squad might be a decent "Fire Sponge".

I was also pondering on a tactic, using the shooting rules of hitting the nearest model, I conceived of using a BREACHER SQUAD as a Shield wall for a Tactical Squad. Not sure on this one, I haven't played enough 6th to be sure of my ground here, but putting an Immortal Squad (6-8) infront of a Tactical Squad might be a decent "Fire Sponge".

You don't need to shoot at the nearest model, this isn't 3rd/4th edition, though they'll get a 5+ cover save behind the Immortals, if your thinking of nearest model death, it only works if you shoot at the squad in question. Much as it'd be interesting to make shield walls in that fashion, it doesn't work like that.

Immortals seem okay, I've yet to actually see them but I think giving them a few volkites and special weapon should make them scary enough.

So given what you've said, I might up to 10 Gorgons and take them as is, riding with my Praetor aka "Autek Mor" riding in the Spartan as a Shock and Awe unit.

Yeah Autek Mor is one of the best SC's ingame for his cost, that squad is a deathstar pretty much that people will want to die.

Hear me out here, I might be off base, but roll with it and then correct me at the end...

"If you base to base, the Immortals, across the front of the Tactical Squad, can you draw a Line of sight to the Tactical Squad if it is completely obscured from the firing unit, and therefore can you still allocate hits to the Tactical Squad behind or will the breacher Squad take the fire, and therefore act as Shield for the Fury boys at the back".

So White Circle is the Tactical squad close order 5 by 4.
The Grey is the Immortals / breacher Squad
Red is the enemy unit firing.



Just to be clear of what I was talking about....Feel free to tear it down, at least I will understand why this is a viable/ non-viable tactic. Bear in mind, I haven't played since 5th (20months or so back)and I am aware alot of the hit allocations have changed, so you meatshield you sgt etc. Where as you used to take casualties from the rear or where-ever.

EDIT

You don't need to shoot at the nearest model, this isn't 3rd/4th edition, though they'll get a 5+ cover save behind the Immortals, if your thinking of nearest model death, it only works if you shoot at the squad in question. Much as it'd be interesting to make shield walls in that fashion, it doesn't work like that.

It would be just a 5+ cover save, from what you said above....Kind of crazy when you think about it logically. But fair enough rules is rules.

As a tiny suggestion, if you're running a 20man Tac Squad(s), Apothecaries are so cheap that you might as well add them in. The durability boost is fantastic for the price

No joke. Mine never fail to pay for themselves in troops saved even if it is a measily 5+. The Centurion version with a jump pack is outstanding as well for 20 man assault squads, give him AA and a decent weapon and boom he can fight challenges against minor characters.

Also Apothacaries allow you to take the surveyor thingy that gives the squad Interceptor. Great for unexpected DSs from an opponent trying to head off the squad.

Interesting...Given the Iron Hands Armour special rule, adding an Apothecary is actually horrendous! This is a great idea.

Any other advice is welcome, because I am out of my depth on this one, I've literally bought what I liked, under the BOLS Rules and now I find many of my models are useless under FW rules...These for example, were done before the Legion stuff was even a Twinkle in FW's eye.



As Storm Shields aren't available so I will have to proxy them as Combi Bolter + Power Axe GORGON Termies.

I'm still unsure if FW will release MORLOCK terminators for the IH, and I'm uncertain which type of Terminator Armour they would use?

Wow, that's a shame. Those turned out quite nice. I guess this is a case for magnetizing terminators.

@Zuul you are quite right, but I had already spent like £70 on this one squad, with the MAXIMINI weapons, ANVIL INDUSTRY Arms, bases etc, I was loathe to spend another £8 on Magnets.

However in hindsight I wish I had, it started as a alittle 1000pts Club thing on the BOLS Rules, and has steadily increased as FW released stuff.