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as GW was no help, I'll toss this to the lions...

if one takes the Legion of the Damned as a primary detachment, how does one not lose the game automatically? Their rules specifically prohibit deploying them as normal, they *must* deploy via Deep Strike. so, how does this work? I'd either rule that they are in perpetual reserves, making a roll for each unit every turn, or they work like drop pods, half on turn one, the other half later.

amd, btw, when we called GW, they put us on hold for 5 minutes after responding "oh, s$&t... we... umm..." and said they'd get back to us.

It's simple, Legion of the Damned need an ally or to be taken as one. It's the only way to prevent auto loss.

how many armies "require" allies? the Legion codex allows them to run as a standalone detachment.

Just one at the moment.

nowhere in the codex does it state that one must take an allied detachment...

What do the codex rules say?

You can't deploy them.

What's does the rulebook say about not having any models on the table after a game turn? You lose.

This is a rules forum. If you want to discuss house rules, go to the "proposed rules" forum.

not looking for house rules. looking to see if I missed anything in the book. GW didn't have an answer. Didn't know how anyone else interpreted it.

There is no interpretation needed. The rules are crystal clear.

viewfinder wrote:
nowhere in the codex does it state that one must take an allied detachment...

You're right. You don't have to take an ally.

But if you don't want to auto-loose on turn one, I'd strongly recommend you do

viewfinder wrote:
nowhere in the codex does it state that one must take an allied detachment...

It doesn't have to but unless you do take an allied detachment you will not be able to actually play.

viewfinder wrote:
nowhere in the codex does it state that one must take an allied detachment...

This is true, however you would auto-lose if you didn't.
All Legion of the Damned start in reserve unless you play that one mission type (Something involving Orks and Ultramarines)
So you cannot play with Legion only unless you want to lose after they say "Okay, I've finished my turn."

yeah... that seems to have caught GW customer service off-guard. sounds like they may have forgotten to consider a un-Allied Legion list.

Well with so few squads available to be in the army it may be that they didn't consider anyone would want to have a full Legion list.

It is intrepreted exactly the way you think it is. If you play LoD without an ally. They will lose every match they play. Blatant stupidity in rules design by GW.

There is a mission in the LotD codex that changes their deployment special rule to allow 1st turn Deep Strikes. Unfortunately, GW failed to provide that new special rule to the army in general, creating this failure.

And as we know so far, no FAQ will be issued to fix this.

SJ

I don't think a FAQ will be issued, because this appears to be working as intended. The Legion of the Damned shows up to help people. They don't show up, fight an enemy solo and then leave.

I believe this is working as intended.

If you really want the best case scenario, just ally in a 25 point Inquisitor and hide him out of LoS for the first turn or two.

Then the alpha striking drop podders nuke the inquisitor, shake hands.

If you are using Codex Legion of the Damned they have a different version of the rule you are referring to, their reserves show up turn 1, from deep strike or normal walking on the board.

The rule is Aid From Beyond, look it up in the glossary of Codex LotD

Reread it crashcunuck. That's special rule only applies to the special mission in the book. Other than that special mission, the legion of the damned dont have that rule.

 CrashCanuck wrote:
If you are using Codex Legion of the Damned they have a different version of the rule you are referring to, their reserves show up turn 1, from deep strike or normal walking on the board.

The rule is Aid From Beyond, look it up in the glossary of Codex LotD

You're mistaken, you're thinking of the rule "aid unlocked for" this is the standard rule for LotD. It states they arrive by deep strike and held in reserve only but you may reroll the scatter dice.

"Aid from beyond" is a special rule for ONE particular mission.

Sounds like it works as the designers intended then. Lotd turn up to aid an imperial force in peril. Ergo you need an imperial force for them to show up and help. All this codex does is allow you to tell that story without having to have an arbitrary space marine hq and troops tax to do it.