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I want to start by saying this is more of a fun list then an over all competitive list however, I was looking at running a squad of 5 stormboys and having Zag be their leader. What tactics should I use, What should I watch out for, and what should I do to get the most bang out of the squad.

All input will help somehow

Thanks

Well if i recall correctly taking zaggy you must deepstrike him so with only 5 boys and you migth wanna do that charge... You gonna loose d3 boys.. So yerp a LD test inbefore anything :/ i say take atleast 10 it worked fine for me in lower point games (1000) but if i want to play bigger with storm boyz just go without him :/. More points for more boyz.

If you want to take him barebones with a 5 man squad you'll really just want to go against vehicles like tanks hanging out in the back of their lines because you don't have to worry about overwatch. As phatonic mentioned, losing D3 stormboyz on a successful charge hurts a lot, especially with such low numbers to begin with.

Also be very careful of deepstriking him near difficult terrain. Even if you don't mishap from it you still take dangerous terrain checks from landing in which on a 6+ save is very lethal.

As such I think that 10 boyz is the very least you should take if you want to seriously hamper any other types of units as it will give you the desperately needed longevity for Zagstruk to actually chew through some units. You should still avoid things like Walkers and MC if you can since not only do most attack before Zagstruk and can challenge him out but if you don't take them out the first turn you charge Zagstruk is left with a very lacklustre 5 basic S4 attacks.

People will likely do things differently just because he's in your list. He can deepstrike off the table and die and have a role in the game from deployment.

I've run him light with 10 Boyz and Zagstruk, aimed for light backfield stuff that needs Krumped. I've also taken the PK Nob and Zagstruk with more Stormboyz. Keep your FAQ handy people who argue rules will want to kick you in the nuts for bringing the nob and Zagstruk.

Deep strike aggressivly with him. You need to assault The light backfield stuff you are trying to tie up will likely eat him up next turn. Anything else and they might as well have been deployed without Zagstruk.

EDIT; If it looks like he's coming in late and maybe doesn't have an ideal target you can always deepstrike him into something with a cover save and go to ground in the enemies deployment for linebreaker.

Great tips guys, Keepum comin

 Rismonite wrote:


I've run him light with 10 Boyz and Zagstruk, aimed for light backfield stuff that needs Krumped. I've also taken the PK Nob and Zagstruk with more Stormboyz. Keep your FAQ handy people who argue rules will want to kick you in the nuts for bringing the nob and Zagstruk.

Huh? Where does it say that you can use a PK Nob and Zagstruk in the same unit of Stormboyz?

From the Ork FAQ;

Q: Several units have the option to include a named character as a
boss, are they added to the unit or, like a nob, do they replace one of the
existing Boyz? (p99-103)
A: They are added to the unit.

Any further discussion is probably for YMDC. You should probably just google it first I'm sure it's been argued before.

I don't see anything in that or in the Codex that says you can have a Nob and Zag in the same unit of Stormboyz, sorry. And since we're not discussing this, we're gonna have to leave it there.

I also looked at the faq and codex and I am still grey, I will start a separate YMDC.

My Codex is pretty clear where it says "Instead of a Nob".

No Zagstruk and a Nob in the same mob. Now he is in addition to the boyz where a Nob would be replacing one, but you can't have both in the same mob.

16 total models,15 Boyz and Zagstruck, allows for a second partial ring on the outside of the Deep Striking unit that can can be placed 1" further from or closer to your intended target. This 2" difference can overcome a lot of scatter and maximize your Charge Range potential. Make sure you take the D3 casualties from the 'back' of the unit.

I recommend placing the first model 2" away from the unit you wish to assault for a 67% chance to assault. Here is my findings.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/460264.page#4495041

I've used Zagstruk in several games. He's had some real shining moments, and real epic disasters. But he's FUN so use him.

1) Take 10 Stormboyz with Zagstruk minimum. The only reason not to take a full 15 Stormboyz is points, or considering the slightly larger deepstrike footprint that you'll make.

2) Do NOT target Zagstruk at anything you'll need a Power Weapon to crack that you're not sure you can kill in 1 turn. This means stay far away from Dreadnaughts, and most Monstrous Creatures. After his charge, Zagstruk loses his Power Klaw, and you're stuck with normal attacks. Against a Tyranid creature or a Dreadnaught, if combat goes into multiple rounds, you may find yourself doing nothing more than bogging down whatever you assaulted. This is a BAD thing because you paid for Zagstruk to CRUMP FACE.

3) DO multi-assault with Zagstruk if you get the chance, especially If you can get some free hits on a vehicle that you won't be tied up in combat with next turn. Zagstruk's ideal strategy is basically to do a ton of damage when he charges, but then remain stuck in combat during your opponent's shooting phase. Then hopefully he finishes off whatever he assaulted during the opponent's assault phase, leaving him free to assault again on your turn, bringing those awesome Power Klaw legs into play again.

4) Zagstruk's most powerful ability is really his morale saving ability. As long as you still have Stormboyz left, you'll pass all morale saves, guaranteeing that Zagstruk is the last man standing. For this reason you should ALWAYS make sure Zagstruk is buried in the squad of Stormboyz so that he can't be killed by a shooting attack. You don't want to be in a situation where Zagstruk dies when you have 5 or 6 Stormboyz left. Remember, he's not an IC, so he has a very weak 4+ Look Out Sir. You don't want him to tank wounds. Make sure to remember this when you make your assault. Don't put Zagstruk out in front where he can be killed by a lucky Overwatch!!

^ Great tip!

I also have a question about Zag, when deepstriking him, if i land him on an enemy squad can i count that as a charge? or do i get hit by a mishap?

I have been running Zaggy with 6 or 7 Stormboyz for a few games and this is what I can tell you:

1. I generally gamble with the deepstiking and drop him on the back side of that table to neutralize things like Thunderfire cannons, Wave Serpants or any other support units that can wreck my boyz. I haven't sent him flying off the table yet but its been close a few times.

2. Don't bother sending them against and decent enemy troop choices on their initial charge. Its just a waste of points, they are better suited taking out vehicles.

3. Nothing wrong with krumpin one or two units and then hiding those stormboyz in cover for linebreaker once their numbers are depleted. I know Zaggy is expensive but a victory point is a victory point.

This is just what has worked for me personally.

yeah i have success running him with 5 or 6 hes just there to hopefully take out a vehicle or artillery of some kind so i dont want to invest to much.. No guts no glory!!!