Monolith Mishap

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**IVII**

In a recent game my opponent chose to reserve a monolith and then deep strike it in on turn 2.

Is it possible for a Monolith to mishap by scattering onto other models?

The rules for skimmer movement state that if you end movement on other models you just move the minimum distance to make it legal. I would argue that deep strike deployment is not movement. I was under the impression that it did not function as SM drop pods do(inertial guidance or whatever). It turned out to be a non-issue in the game but I am still curious.

What do you think?

**rigeld2**

Yes, Monoliths can mishap.

**JinxDragon**

Agreed,
Scatter is not Movement, it is part of the process used to deploy a deep striking unit.

**Eihnlazer**

im pretty sure we went over this in another thread.

Deep striking is in fact a form of movement, as the model that deep strikes counts as having moved.

So the monolith would in fact move so that its hull was not over another model. However, this would not prevent it from mishapping, due to the fact that it would still end its move "within" 1 inch of an enemy model.

**rigeld2**

Eihnlazer wrote:
im pretty sure we went over this in another thread.

Deep striking is in fact a form of movement, as the model that deep strikes counts as having moved.

So the monolith would in fact move so that its hull was not over another model. However, this would not prevent it from mishapping, due to the fact that it would still end its move "within" 1 inch of an enemy model.

Deep Strike is a form of movement.
Scatter is not. Mishaps are resolved after scattering, so before a Monolith would move off.

**PrinceRaven**

I don't see how counting as being moved makes it movement. In fact, I'd argue the opposite is the case, if it is movement it wouldn't need to state that it counts as having moved because the model has actually moved.

**IVII**

Rules for skimmer movement reads:
"If a Skimmer is forced to end its move over friendly or enemy models, move the Skimmer the minimum distance so that no
models are left underneath it." pg83 BRB

Deep strike mishaps reads:
"If any of the models in a deep striking unit cannot be deployed, because at least one model would land partially or fully off the table, in impassable terrain, on top of a friendly rnodel, or on top of or within 1 " of an enemy model, something has gone wrong." pg 36 BRB

So the way I see it is you move the Monolith off of the models it landed on but it is still within 1" and therefore triggers a mishap. Does that make enough sense?

**rigeld2**

PrinceRaven wrote:
I don't see how counting as being moved makes it movement. In fact, I'd argue the opposite is the case, if it is movement it wouldn't need to state that it counts as having moved because the model has actually moved.

Counts as must be the same as is.
Therefore Deep Strike is movement.

**PrinceRaven**

So Vector Strike is a shooting attack?

**rigeld2**

PrinceRaven wrote:
So Vector Strike is a shooting attack?

Nope, because there isn't a rule in the book that says Vector Strike counts as a shooting attack.
You can attempt to misquote the actual rule, but rereading it should be sufficient to prove my point.

**PrinceRaven**

A unit that deep strikes counts as having moved after the Deep Strike has happened, not during the actual deep strike. In the same way a unit that has used Vector Strike counts as having fired a weapon, but did not count as firing a weapon during the Vector Strike.

**fuusa**

PrinceRaven wrote:
A unit that deep strikes counts as having moved after the Deep Strike has happened, not during the actual deep strike.

P36, "In the movement phase in which they arrive, deep striking units may not move any further, other ..."
= deployment by deep strike is movement, scattering in of itself, is not.

**nosferatu1001**

Eihnlazer wrote:
im pretty sure we went over this in another thread.

Deep striking is in fact a form of movement, as the model that deep strikes counts as having moved.

So the monolith would in fact move so that its hull was not over another model. However, this would not prevent it from mishapping, due to the fact that it would still end its move "within" 1 inch of an enemy model.

Yes, and what we proved is that:

a) the initial placmeent is of a marker, as it is wher eyou WANT the unit to arrive. The unit has yet to arrive, meaning functionally this is simply a marker
b) You are told to scatter. Scattering is not movement. IF it were movement it would be impossible to mishap, except by initially placing the marker over another model or impassable terrain. This is because we are only told we mishap IF x, y, Z occurs. We are not given permission to MOVE such that X, Y, Z can occur, meaning X, Y, Z can never happen as movement rules prohibit it. Arguing that scattering is movement is arguing that all models have IG protection - in fact, even better, as even IG doesnt protect against scattering off the table. Luckily, due to a) it cannot be movement, as movement applies to models, and we have determiend that this is not in fact, a model yet - just a marker
c) only once you have finished scattering, and confirmed there is no mishap, will the unit actually arrive at that location. Meaning that this is the only point at which the monolith rule can apply, as only HERE have you actually finished moving.

So yes, it is 100% clear. Monoliths can mishap