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**poppa G**

So imagine that killing machine on steroids. That's Necrons-billions to boot and insanely superior technology. Necron master race.
You have 5 seconds to disprove this statement. And if you're feeling really cocky, prove why Necrons haven't taken their universe back.

**teban**

They get bored when there is no one else to kill

**MarsNZ**

They're one retcon away from insignificance.

**poppa G**

teban wrote:
They get bored when there is no one else to kill

Robits don't get bored though.

**MWHistorian**

They haven't fully woken up yet. Let them have their morning coffee first.

**kinratha**

They are divided and have plot armor. same could be said about the IOM

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They are divided and have plot armor. same could be said about the IOM

**curran12**

Because, as we've seen in the fluff:

One - The Necrons are not a unified force. They have no general single goal nor do they have a single leader they all follow. Some Phaerons are violent conquerers against other races, others are only interested in their own world, others still are more interested in playing politics against one another.

Two - They are damaged goods. As we've seen in the fluff as well, the Necrons did not come out of sleep ready to go. Most Tomb Worlds, when they do wake up, have to deal with a lot of decay, both physically and mentally (on the part of the commanders). And the Necrons themselves focus on this a lot, seeing as how scared they are of the Flayer Virus.

Three - A lot has changed since they were at their peak. While the Old Ones are gone, their pet race the Eldar are still actively hunting Necrons. Likewise, the Orks have done nothing but grow. Imperium has grown. Tau are growing. Tyranids are a slow growing threat to all races.

**Belly**

poppa G wrote:
prove why Necrons haven't taken their universe back.

Robots cannot love.

**A sane man**

They can't feel the joys of Slannesh.

**curran12**

And to add a side note...the Terminator that we most knew about (the T-800/Arnold model) would be obliterated in the 40k setting. I mean, the robot got blown in half by a home made pipe bomb made out of hardware store crap.

**Wilytank**

poppa G wrote:
So imagine that killing machine on steroids. That's Necrons-billions to boot and insanely superior technology. Necron master race.
You have 5 seconds to disprove this statement. And if you're feeling really cocky, prove why Necrons haven't taken their universe back.

You ever listened to the Exodus song "A Lesson in Violence"? So imagine that song as a personality of countless burly green aliens? That's Orks; many many more than there will ever be Necrons and with actual technology thanks to all the tech they salvage from enemies they've killed and improved. Ork master race.
You have 5 seconds to disprove this statement or learn a lesson in violence you git.

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poppa G wrote:
teban wrote:
They get bored when there is no one else to kill

Robits don't get bored though.

WTF are "robits"?

**thepowerfulwill**

I had a lengthy discussion about this the other day. The only reason they don't take the galaxy is that they think they do own it. They are not a conquering force, they are an old man with a shotgun screaming "Get off my lawn you damn kids!"

**poppa G**

Wilytank wrote:
poppa G wrote:
So imagine that killing machine on steroids. That's Necrons-billions to boot and insanely superior technology. Necron master race.
You have 5 seconds to disprove this statement. And if you're feeling really cocky, prove why Necrons haven't taken their universe back.

You ever listened to the Exodus song "A Lesson in Violence"? So imagine that song as a personality of countless burly green aliens? That's Orks; many many more than there will ever be Necrons and with actual technology thanks to all the tech they salvage from enemies they've killed and improved. Ork master race.
You have 5 seconds to disprove this statement or learn a lesson in violence you git.

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poppa G wrote:
teban wrote:
They get bored when there is no one else to kill

Robits don't get bored though.

WTF are "robits"?

I was referencing a series called Futurama.

**Blackhair Duckshape**

Who says they haven't?

Mindshackle Scarabs are a hell of a thang.

**SagesStone**

IoM has terminators too, not the marines the killer robots locked inside Mars. Open the wrong storage locker and those pretend Necrons get to join in the fun too.

**the shrouded lord**

Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
Who says they haven't?

Mindshackle Scarabs are a hell of a thang.

you sire, scare me.

**SHUPPET**

This is what I love about the 40k fluff. Every side is OP.

Gotta say that Chaos seems to be the scariest faction. Space Marines of evil + demons from hell + actual Gods.

**Kain**

Whether the Necrons are more robotic or undead depends heavily on the writer.

Some writers have them as implacable regenerating terminators, others basically metal space mummies with clarketech magic.

So the thematics of the faction can vary heavily depending on the writer.

I'd like for GW to focus more on the undead aspect of the Necrons and introduce a more purely robotic (from a thematic standpoint) faction; preferably non-imperial as much as people request Adeptus Mechanicus codexes.

Like this:

Kain wrote:

I have a masters in Paleontology and took some courses in Nanotechnology. I know what I'm talking about, and the thing is, a mechanical hegemonizing swarm is going to be vastly larger and more efficient than an organic counterpart.

If I had a faction of robotic tyranid like enemies added to 40k, they'd quite quickly end up outnumbering the Tyranids by a massive margin because there's so much more material for the creation of inorganic devices than there is biomass for living beings.

Even disregarding nanotech, there is two trillion tons of biomass on the Earth, that's a big number right?

Well the Earth is primarily Iron and Nickel by weight when taken as a whole (the 50% oxygen, 25% silicon figure is mostly based on the crust), to the point where there is sextillions of tons of metal on the Earth.

That is literally a billion times more matter to work with.

So what the Tyranids would need to strip an entire galaxy of life to achieve, my robot doomswarm would need only a single planet.

And this doomswarm would keep on growing, and it can devour any planet or space rock, not just those with biomass or chemicals useful for organic life. So it can eat the whole solar system too, and then this swarm keeps on growing, devouring every solid object it finds, and by now dwarfs the Tyranids, Orks, and Humanity combined in terms of numbers by multiple orders of magnitude.

When it runs into an inhabited planet, it can throw what amounts to the entire Tyranid genus with the most generous possible estimates, at this one single planet, and it would be at best a drop in the bucket of it's total resources.

I keep on going with this berserker von neumann nightmare until the entirety of the galaxy is cleansed of anything but these constantly adapting, geometrically self improving machines that can keep on building smarter and smarter versions of their own A.I to design more and more sophisticated technology.

Even without FTL I could clean the entire galaxy in a few million years, with FTL I'd overwhelm every faction in 40k in perhaps even a few centuries, even Chaos flickers and dies as I completely cleanse the galaxy of all life capable of emotion. Maybe I can even kill everyone sooner depending on how fast I can von neumann my way to victory.

So that's right, a competently designed von neumann swarm I literally just scribbled out a few minutes ago, would break the entire setting through simply outproducing everyone by a ridiculous margin until I can fairly say that I have more capital ships than the Imperium has guardsmen.

But perhaps not quite so overpowering.

**SHUPPET**

Kain wrote:
Whether the Necrons are more robotic or undead depends heavily on the writer.

Some writers have them as implacable regenerating terminators, others basically metal space mummies with clarketech magic.

So the thematics of the faction can vary heavily depending on the writer.

I'd like for GW to focus more on the undead aspect of the Necrons and introduce a more purely robotic (from a thematic standpoint) faction; preferably non-imperial as much as people request Adeptus Mechanicus codexes.

Like this:

Kain wrote:

I have a masters in Paleontology and took some courses in Nanotechnology. I know what I'm talking about, and the thing is, a mechanical hegemonizing swarm is going to be vastly larger and more efficient than an organic counterpart.

If I had a faction of robotic tyranid like enemies added to 40k, they'd quite quickly end up outnumbering the Tyranids by a massive margin because there's so much more material for the creation of inorganic devices than there is biomass for living beings.

Even disregarding nanotech, there is two trillion tons of biomass on the Earth, that's a big number right?

Well the Earth is primarily Iron and Nickel by weight when taken as a whole (the 50% oxygen, 25% silicon figure is mostly based on the crust), to the point where there is sextillions of tons of metal on the Earth.

That is literally a billion times more matter to work with.

So what the Tyranids would need to strip an entire galaxy of life to achieve, my robot doomswarm would need only a single planet.

And this doomswarm would keep on growing, and it can devour any planet or space rock, not just those with biomass or chemicals useful for organic life. So it can eat the whole solar system too, and then this swarm keeps on growing, devouring every solid object it finds, and by now dwarfs the Tyranids, Orks, and Humanity combined in terms of numbers by multiple orders of magnitude.

When it runs into an inhabited planet, it can throw what amounts to the entire Tyranid genus with the most generous possible estimates, at this one single planet, and it would be at best a drop in the bucket of it's total resources.

I keep on going with this berserker von neumann nightmare until the entirety of the galaxy is cleansed of anything but these constantly adapting, geometrically self improving machines that can keep on building smarter and smarter versions of their own A.I to design more and more sophisticated technology.

Even without FTL I could clean the entire galaxy in a few million years, with FTL I'd overwhelm every faction in 40k in perhaps even a few centuries, even Chaos flickers and dies as I completely cleanse the galaxy of all life capable of emotion. Maybe I can even kill everyone sooner depending on how fast I can von neumann my way to victory.

So that's right, a competently designed von neumann swarm I literally just scribbled out a few minutes ago, would break the entire setting through simply outproducing everyone by a ridiculous margin until I can fairly say that I have more capital ships than the Imperium has guardsmen.

But perhaps not quite so overpowering.

Sounds amazing. Exalted. Reminds me of the replicators on Stargate. As a big Tyranid player, the idea of this race appeals to me immensely and I would play it no matter how it panned out. Definitely another "no allies" faction.

And yes, they can be written that OP. They are up against the entire Imperium of Man, Necron's technological ascension, demons of the underworld + the Gods of Chaos, the next-level tech of Eldar, the expansion of the Tau empire, as well as an ever evolving race of bugs that consumed at least one entire galaxy before travelling here. Not to mention uncountable hordes Orks, and an evil race of Eldar that lives between planes.

You need to be OP to compete in the 40k universe.

**Furyou Miko**

Wilytank wrote:

WTF are "robits"?

Now introducing our newest product, the Frodobot 2k. Guaranteed to get your ancient artifacts where they need to be, on time and in tact!*

*Please note that volcanoes are counted as Acts of God and not covered by this statement.

But... yeah. Necrons aren't even trying to conquer the galaxy, especially not before coffee. They already own it, after all, and they are rather laissez-faire about the whole thing these days.

**Lobokai**

poppa G wrote:
So imagine that killing machine on steroids. That's Necrons-billions to boot and insanely superior technology. Necron master race.
You have 5 seconds to disprove this statement. And if you're feeling really cocky, prove why Necrons haven't taken their universe back.

A couple dozen terminators (movie) would have a hard time taking on a couple terminators (40k)... could you even give them a 3+ save?

Part two... Necrons and Tau (5th ed fluff) are probably the least able to take over the galaxy, pretty clear on this one, to tell the truth.

**SHUPPET**

Lobukia wrote:
poppa G wrote:
So imagine that killing machine on steroids. That's Necrons-billions to boot and insanely superior technology. Necron master race.
You have 5 seconds to disprove this statement. And if you're feeling really cocky, prove why Necrons haven't taken their universe back.

A couple dozen terminators (movie) would have a hard time taking on a couple terminators (40k)... could you even give them a 3+ save?

Part two... Necrons and Tau (5th ed fluff) are probably the least able to take over the galaxy, pretty clear on this one, to tell the truth.

FNP 2+ tho

**Lobokai**

SHUPPET wrote:
Lobukia wrote:
poppa G wrote:
So imagine that killing machine on steroids. That's Necrons-billions to boot and insanely superior technology. Necron master race.
You have 5 seconds to disprove this statement. And if you're feeling really cocky, prove why Necrons haven't taken their universe back.

A couple dozen terminators (movie) would have a hard time taking on a couple terminators (40k)... could you even give them a 3+ save?

Part two... Necrons and Tau (5th ed fluff) are probably the least able to take over the galaxy, pretty clear on this one, to tell the truth.

FNP 2+ tho

meh, PF or TH double them out anyway.

**the shrouded lord**

Terminators (40k) x 5 would probably give movie 3 termintors x 5 a problem. Movie one terminators would be destroyed.
Stormbolter shot > shotgun.

**KorPhaeron77**

When the Necrons see what the Japanese want to use robots for, they'll think twice about invading...

**SagesStone**

KorPhaeron77 wrote:
When the Necrons see what the Japanese want to use robots for, they'll think twice about invading...

Except those guys from that one tomb world, they're weird.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Kain wrote:

Kain wrote:

I have a masters in Paleontology and took some courses in Nanotechnology. I know what I'm talking about, and the thing is, a mechanical hegemonizing swarm is going to be vastly larger and more efficient than an organic counterpart.

If I had a faction of robotic tyranid like enemies added to 40k, they'd quite quickly end up outnumbering the Tyranids by a massive margin because there's so much more material for the creation of inorganic devices than there is biomass for living beings.

Even disregarding nanotech, there is two trillion tons of biomass on the Earth, that's a big number right?

Well the Earth is primarily Iron and Nickel by weight when taken as a whole (the 50% oxygen, 25% silicon figure is mostly based on the crust), to the point where there is sextillions of tons of metal on the Earth.

That is literally a billion times more matter to work with.

So what the Tyranids would need to strip an entire galaxy of life to achieve, my robot doomswarm would need only a single planet.

And this doomswarm would keep on growing, and it can devour any planet or space rock, not just those with biomass or chemicals useful for organic life. So it can eat the whole solar system too, and then this swarm keeps on growing, devouring every solid object it finds, and by now dwarfs the Tyranids, Orks, and Humanity combined in terms of numbers by multiple orders of magnitude.

When it runs into an inhabited planet, it can throw what amounts to the entire Tyranid genus with the most generous possible estimates, at this one single planet, and it would be at best a drop in the bucket of it's total resources.

I keep on going with this berserker von neumann nightmare until the entirety of the galaxy is cleansed of anything but these constantly adapting, geometrically self improving machines that can keep on building smarter and smarter versions of their own A.I to design more and more sophisticated technology.

Even without FTL I could clean the entire galaxy in a few million years, with FTL I'd overwhelm every faction in 40k in perhaps even a few centuries, even Chaos flickers and dies as I completely cleanse the galaxy of all life capable of emotion. Maybe I can even kill everyone sooner depending on how fast I can von neumann my way to victory.

So that's right, a competently designed von neumann swarm I literally just scribbled out a few minutes ago, would break the entire setting through simply outproducing everyone by a ridiculous margin until I can fairly say that I have more capital ships than the Imperium has guardsmen.

But perhaps not quite so overpowering.

Necrons already do that, I believe.

Their scarabs are designed to break down mass down to it's atoms, so that it can be harvested and used for something else.

Like what happens in Supreme Commander.

**Belly**

the shrouded lord wrote:
Terminators (40k) x 5 would probably give movie 3 termintors x 5 a problem. Movie one terminators would be destroyed.
Stormbolter shot > shotgun.

Are we seriously doing this now?

Damn nerds...hahaha

**the shrouded lord**

Belly wrote:
the shrouded lord wrote:
Terminators (40k) x 5 would probably give movie 3 termintors x 5 a problem. Movie one terminators would be destroyed.
Stormbolter shot > shotgun.

Are we seriously doing this now?

Damn nerds...hahaha

Dude, yes we are.

**SHUPPET**

the shrouded lord wrote:
Belly wrote:

Are we seriously doing this now?

Damn nerds...hahaha

Dude, yes we are.