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In the Imperial Knight codex the titan is between 30-40 feet tall, the original height of the Warhound titan.

In the book "Mechanicum" the Knight Titans there were described as being about as tall as a Space Marine Dreadnought.

Now assuming the Warhound didn't get a boost in size and they remain the same why have one over the other then? Or was it a mistake and the Knight should be smaller?

No idea (haven't read Mechanicum), but back in the days of Epic, the knights were at least 2-3 times taller than a dreadnought.

knight is waaaay bigger then a dread

yeah its another "What did i say about... ahh never mind ill just make it all up again anyway"

mechanicum first of all is worth a read one of my favourite HH books second of all it does say it is about the same height as a dread although as we can see by the model and from the codex it is far from the same height... unless dreads are about to get much... much taller *finger crossed*

Eh? Mechanicum says that the Knights are nine metres tall, that's significantly bigger than a Dreadnought, which is only about four.

I thought it was 9 metres for the Knight, 14 for the Warhound, but I have no idea where I'm basing that from.

9 meters - 27 feet

14 meters - 42 feet

I thought the Knight was stated as being much smaller than that. They're a single pilot in control of a massive machine. That's why the other Titans have multiple crews to distribute the load so it doesn't fry the human brain from that much information. By the codex fluff then it is roughly the same height as a Warhound. Yet it carries a lesser armament and a crew of one.

With lesser shields than a Warhound it makes it far more vulnerable. Stated as striding beside the greater titans of the Mechanicum, It seems to have been more a vulnerability then if they are so big. 5 to 6 meters would have been a better height for a Knight as then it would fill a role between a walker and a Titan. And makes more sense for a single pilot to control.

The fluff in Mechancium points to it being smaller than that. When he is defending his damaged Knight the size difference didn't seem all that great like he was beside something over 20 feet tall. And they are called Mounts and have names as such for noble horses. Not that the fluff of the codex is bad I'm just trying to get it straight in my head as to what is what ^_^

HoskuneAstetic wrote:

The fluff in Mechancium points to it being smaller than that. When he is defending his damaged Knight the size difference didn't seem all that great like he was beside something over 20 feet tall. And they are called Mounts and have names as such for noble horses. Not that the fluff of the codex is bad I'm just trying to get it straight in my head as to what is what ^_^

I don't remember it reading like it was that small in Mechanicum, but then I also knew how much larger than a dread and human Knights were before Mechanicum.

They are NOT the size of Dreads and never have been.

Here's the original Epic models next to a bunch of Orks and Ork vehicles:

Yeah I'm aware that they were larger in epic, but the fluff since then made them seem far less than 40 feet tall.

But my question still stands. If they are in many ways inferior to the Warhound why field them side by side? Warhounds are fast. They have 2 titan weapons and voids. The Knights have 1 titan weapon, probably close to the same speed (maybe a little faster) and ion shields.

Target Saturation.

Give the enemy too many things to shoot at, and the enemy will shoot at too many things.

HoskuneAstetic wrote:
Yeah I'm aware that they were larger in epic, but the fluff since then made them seem far less than 40 feet tall.

But my question still stands. If they are in many ways inferior to the Warhound why field them side by side? Warhounds are fast. They have 2 titan weapons and voids. The Knights have 1 titan weapon, probably close to the same speed (maybe a little faster) and ion shields.[/quote

Why field anything under emporer class titans, period?

Why field scouts, instead of marines? Why field marines, instead of terminators? Why field leman russes, instead of bane blades? Why field guardsmen, instead of storm troopers? Why field guardsmen instead of marines?

HoskuneAstetic wrote:
Yeah I'm aware that they were larger in epic, but the fluff since then made them seem far less than 40 feet tall.

But my question still stands. If they are in many ways inferior to the Warhound why field them side by side? Warhounds are fast. They have 2 titan weapons and voids. The Knights have 1 titan weapon, probably close to the same speed (maybe a little faster) and ion shields.

Knights are cheaper. They are better up close as well.

Same reason why you don't just spam uber-units in RTSes. You need some chaff to draw fire and support the big guys.

HoskuneAstetic wrote:
Yeah I'm aware that they were larger in epic, but the fluff since then made them seem far less than 40 feet tall.

But my question still stands. If they are in many ways inferior to the Warhound why field them side by side? Warhounds are fast. They have 2 titan weapons and voids. The Knights have 1 titan weapon, probably close to the same speed (maybe a little faster) and ion shields.

1. It's only these days that Knights have Titan weapons. In Epic, they tended to have the same weapons as non-walker equivalents(the Battle Cannon was practically the same as the Russ version).

2. Knights are fielded because Knight worlds don't have Warhounds, they have Knights. That's the entirety of their military forces. A household of Knights are made to take on entire armies and invading forces by themselves. So when they're fielded alongside Titan Legions, it tends to be instead of or alongside traditional ground forces to protect the Titans from smaller things that are beneath their notice and that a Warhound squad(which are Scouts designed to harass an enemy force, not take it head on) can't handle alone.

The roles are much better defined and noticeable in Epic rather than in 40K's rule set.

Imperial Knights likely have some logistical advantages as well. First of all, an Imperial Knight is piloted by a SINGLE individual, a warhound titan requires 5 individuals. even if we assume the mechanius are implanted with implants to make their metabolisms 3 times as effective as a humans, you're STILL looking at approximatly twice the resources in keeping the human needs of the crew supplied.


In addition warhounds (let alone larger titans) by virtue of their larger size may prove harder to transport. apparently titans need their own special transports. nothings been written on this eaither way re Knights, but if Knights can be transported and deployed from say... the same type of ships the Imperial guard deploys it's big armor from, that makes them a LOT easier to deploy.


so the short answer is "logistics issues"