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So .. do forge world models have their own rules and statlines? i see a bunch of models that are not codexed ... sorry still relatively new to wargaming .. and dont want to make a purchase i can't use.

Thanks in advance!

Yeah. FW produces a set of campaign books called Imperial Armour where they detail specific conflicts. These contain the rules for the models as well.
That said you need to find out which book the rules for that particular model you saw are in...

Yes they do -if they are not in a Codex/supplement they are usually in one of the Forgeworld books - which are very nice

Forge World makes certain books under the title: 'Imperial Armor." These books usually have fluff and rules for specific models produced by FW.

An example would be Imperial Armor 2: Forces of the Inquistion and Space Marines; they contain rules for forge world specific Space Marine and Grey Knight vehicles i.e. Contemptor Dreadnought, Fellblade, Sicarian Tank.

I should point out that only some FW models have their own rules. Some of them are just alternate designs for codex units, like the enclosed Basilisk or the various marine infantry models.

But as for your original question, everything FW makes has rules of some kind and you can use them. Unless of course you run into one of the TFGs who refuses to play against FW rules, but I wouldn't worry too much about that because you don't want to play against TFG anyway.

ok .. thanks guys! any idea what Volume the ork models would be in?

Like you, not everyone in the hobby is immediately familiar with Forge World stuff. It is considered common courtesy to ask your opponent if they are happy with you fielding Forge World unit, before putting them on the table. Indeed, the Forge World books themselves say so.

Unfortunately, there are a few misguided sociopaths out there who've made it their personal crusade of sorts to force Forge World down anyone's throat, come hell or high water, "enjoyment" of the hobby be damned. They vocal minority of donkey-caves, unfortunately, have given Forge World as a whole a rather bad name.

So be civil. Keep to the most important Forge World rule: ask if your opponent is happy with you fielding them.

Blaylokk wrote:
ok .. thanks guys! any idea what Volume the ork models would be in?

IA8 would be the main Ork one methinks.

You can also find some in the 6e Apocalypse book too.

Zweischneid is right with this one.

You do have to ask opponents permission to use FW models, however, this isnt usually an issue with the usual units / models.

Some people have been a bit over the top though as certain units have insane rules which people take advantage of quite often.

ok these are good things for me to know before i start making any decisions.

As for balance, FW is a tad better at balance than GW although certain armies are swimming in an ocean of FW (Guard, Space Marines) and others have a few drops at best (Tyranids, DEldar).

FW also is the only way for some armies to get reliable ground based anti-air. The Mortis Dreadnought is a must have for the DAs not because two skyfire/interceptor guns on a dreadnought is super-amazing, but because without it the DAs mostly have harsh language and mean thoughts to throw against fliers. The SWs are also in the same boat.

The Sisters don't even have fliers without FW.

Unit wise, in FW you have some confusingly awful duds (the Arvus lighter is a very, very strong contender for the worst unit to have ever graced 40k, the Leman Russ Annihilator is a pile of garbage, taking any of the FW hammerhead guns will rightfully get you laughed at, and the Hyperios is one of the worst AA units ever) and some very complained about units (a particular librarian, the Achilles back in it's 5e heydey, guard artillery carriages, and pre-nerf hades breaching drills to name some) but generally most are fairly priced for what they give you.

FW also produces some variant army lists, but they're still updating a lot of them. Expect them to be busy with their guard variant lists for a while after the Astra Militarum codex drops. The variant list that ill be most relevant to you is the Ork Dread Mob list. Which as the name suggests; is all about spamming walkers. It's not as powerful a list as it sounds sadly. But it's a blast to play and they're the only BATTUL BROTHAS Orks get.

As an aside; the 30k game is only available through forgeworld.

 Zweischneid wrote:
It is considered common courtesy to ask your opponent if they are happy with you fielding Forge World unit, before putting them on the table.

Just as long as you consider it common courtesy to ask your opponent if they are happy with you fielding ANY unit, before putting them on the table. FW units are no different than any other rules GW publishes, either ask for permission for all of them, or none of them.

And it's still TFG behavior to refuse to play against official rules just because of what source the rules were printed in.


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 Jackal wrote:
Some people have been a bit over the top though as certain units have insane rules which people take advantage of quite often.

Just note that this has nothing to do with whether or not it's a FW unit. Overpowered FW units exist and people won't be happy if you spam them, but overpowered codex units also exist and your screamerstar/Riptide spam/etc list isn't going to earn you many friends either.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
It is considered common courtesy to ask your opponent if they are happy with you fielding Forge World unit, before putting them on the table.

Just as long as you consider it common courtesy to ask your opponent if they are happy with you fielding ANY unit, before putting them on the table. FW units are no different than any other rules GW publishes, either ask for permission for all of them, or none of them.

And it's still TFG behavior to refuse to play against official rules just because of what source the rules were printed in.

Now I know you're smart enough to spot the flamebait, so the question is, why the hell didn't you just ignore it?

 azreal13 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
It is considered common courtesy to ask your opponent if they are happy with you fielding Forge World unit, before putting them on the table.

Just as long as you consider it common courtesy to ask your opponent if they are happy with you fielding ANY unit, before putting them on the table. FW units are no different than any other rules GW publishes, either ask for permission for all of them, or none of them.

And it's still TFG behavior to refuse to play against official rules just because of what source the rules were printed in.

Now I know you're smart enough to spot the flamebait, so the question is, why the hell didn't you just ignore it?

You should know by now that he baths in holy promethium, if he gets within 100m of it he can't help it.

Isn't there a list somewhere that has what each FW book has in it? I remember seeing one but can't find it now.

It's terrible for someone who doesn't know every single book to find rules, especially when some books haven't been updated for 6th edition (is there any way to tell?). Even when you ask on a forum you don't always get straight answers.

They are meant to be coming out with a single list that points to the latest version, but in the meantime there is this: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/L/lordsofwar.pdf

 azreal13 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
It is considered common courtesy to ask your opponent if they are happy with you fielding Forge World unit, before putting them on the table.

Just as long as you consider it common courtesy to ask your opponent if they are happy with you fielding ANY unit, before putting them on the table. FW units are no different than any other rules GW publishes, either ask for permission for all of them, or none of them.

And it's still TFG behavior to refuse to play against official rules just because of what source the rules were printed in.

Now I know you're smart enough to spot the flamebait, so the question is, why the hell didn't you just ignore it?

ill touch on this one... the guy is new, he wont know that someone is baiting peregrine and might take it as gospel that its fact... the older hats, know what it is, but to newer people... sadly not so much.

on another note... i dont see how the anti-FW debate still exists with escelation and all that other guff coming into the game.... just seems rubbish at this point, with you know all the dataslates and that other stuff that exists to say that FW rules.... you cant use that...