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So, I kind of want to try out an assault based army, and looking at most of the codexes my best bets lay in;

Chaos Daemons
Chaos Space Marines
Grey Knights

So there in lies my question, which one of these guys is one of the best assault armies? I want to run around like a crazy man and charge into combat. And please don't tell me "Assault is junk, you'll just get shot up first turn and then your done" Since I really want to just hit all the CC and spend as few points on shooting as possible for Chaos Daemons I've been thinking Khorne just because players around here have MEQ everywhere and I want them to die, brutal tear jerking death, in combat. Same goes for CSM. Part of the reason I want Khorne is also because I currently play Eldar, and I'd love to back away from shooting, back away from psychic powers, back away from finesse, and just punch faces.

Why do you not choose Nids or Orks?

I would think going assault you would want lots of bodies to soak up the shots, so Nids or Orks could be the way to go. Go horde instead of small Elite, unless that is your plan.

My friend does slaanesh heavy demons, three units of 20 demonetes is nasty.

Csm are not a good choice you pay through the nose for marks on assault units and they are not really that effective in 6th.

This isn't a great edition for assault armies.

Thing with Deamons, it's hit or miss. Either you roll lucky on your charts, or you roll poorly. If you don't mind the random army you maybe fielding, it can be the army for you.

Well if you want an assault army that is as ignorant as possible, then I'd suggest you a Khorne Flesh Hound spam list.

4 Heralds on juggernaught with the axe that gives you Instant Death on 6s, 1 unit of Bloodcrushers, 3 units of 15 Flesh Hounds, Fateweaver (at least in competitive games) to mitigate randomness and then as many bloodletters as you can.

As unsophisticate yet playable as possible, I'd say

No love for Blood Angels, Black Templar, or just regular ole marines? If your intent is to "run around like a crazy man" I'd say that disqualifies grey knights, as your units are way too valuable to plunge headlong into the fray as I suspect you'd enjoy doing.

I like crazy assault-based armies too, and I can tell you that it's very satisfying to land a few drop pods full of sword-wielding maniacs right into the soft tissues of the enemy.

Why not orks?

I'd say Orks, Nids, or Daemons are all perfect, go with whichever models you like best. Orks are also supposed to get an update soon so there's always that to look forward to. Daemons are probably the most competitive right now if you go purely assault.

Definitely avoid GK, if you want to run around like a crazy man your poor silver knights will die quick painful deaths. Getting GKs into assault takes a bit of finesse (or personal teleporters I guess).

Orks, for sure.

Some DE builds work in assault, though not as well as they might.

Daemons

As long as you don't mind being shot off the mat by gunline gits (i don't) any of these work pretty well.

mu guess is wait a bit for the new blood angels codex to come out there is rumours its soon. Im sure it will be a major uplift which brings it up to speed with the 6th edition rule book. At the moment everyone thinks their crappy. I still love them though....plus they look awesome - 10/10 just for looks if indeed they get slaughtered all the time during tournaments.

White Scars Biker army? Hammer of Wrath and all that fun!

I play Chaos Space Marines which have some pretty nasty assault units such as Khorne Berserkers and Raptors/Warp-Talons. I hear that Daemons can be pretty hard-hitting in assault.

I'll put in another vote for my first love, Tyranids.

I won't lie, we are in a bit of a jam due to our latest codex and assault being a tad weak this edition, but when you do get that unit of warriors in combat and roll ALL the dice, the victory points don't matter anymore.

Plus, we don't just kill their dudes in melee...

Your little space men are delicious.

Daemons are by far the best assault army. The only problem is with the advent of knights all their fast and hard hitting cc threats (except MCs) can't hurt Knights.

De army with either lots of hellions and the baron, or lots and lots of Beast packs and Kymeras - brutal.

Also Grotesques in a raider with a hemonculi and an archon is v nasty especially when you win combat force them to brake and you are initiative 7

How are daemons by far the best?
Lack of toughness, poor saves, slow movement (unless slaanesh)
Yes, they can do damage in assault, but by the time they get there and take overwatch, its not looking good.

My khorne daemons are now sat on a shelf collecting dust.
I do run my slaanesh daemons, but thats because everything there has a way of removing armour (2+ mainly)
They are fast, but a single mistake or poor luck on the chart and it falls apart very quickly.

The main issue is that no unit in the daemons book has the movement, attacks and resilience that actually makes up a dedicated combat unit.
Most are a glass hammer at best.

If you want pure combat, i'd run pups or nids.
Both are able to put out plenty of damage and take it in return without buckling.


For the record, i hate saying this about daemons since they are my favorate army and i do have around 10,000 points now, but between 6th and the new book, they have a few issues. (mainly that bloody chart haha)

 Jackal wrote:
How are daemons by far the best?

3 Bloodthirsters, 4 Khornite Daemon Princes, + whatever else. May not be the best CC, but its up there.

jasper76 wrote:

 Jackal wrote:
How are daemons by far the best?

3 Bloodthirsters, 4 Khornite Daemon Princes, + whatever else. May not be the best CC, but its up there.

^ This is terrible. A Lord of Change with staff will beat a Bloodthirstert most of the time, and if he rolls precognition, EVERY time. And literally and other Daemon Prince + Biomancy is better in CC than a Khornate Prince.

If you want to REALLY go assualt then under the current meta, its Deathstar time. Eldar/DE Beast-Star and Eldar Seer council + Baron are the beast in the CC realm right now. Nids have a few contenders as well, but they're well, nids.

Fair enough...that core army put the biggest CC hurting on me I've had to date, and I've played the Seer Council several times. Perhaps it was just good rolls.

TAU OFC

Orks are a no brainer! 48 dice on the charge for a truck full of choppa boyz turn 2. Its hard to match the workout of throwing 5000 pounds worth of dice each turn. Feel the burn!

danny1995 wrote:So there in lies my question, which one of these guys is one of the best assault armies?

It depends on how you define best.

If what you want is the easiest army to win games with (using assault) right now, then that's demons. What it will be in the future (say, by the time you finally get an army up and running) is unknown and unknowable.

But that's, of course, just one definition of "best". Without more clarification from you, the responses you're likely to get (as has been largely true so far) will be a reflection of what armies people already own, not what army is best for you.

You seem to have a pretty decent grasp on it, whatever your definition is, as the three armies you've listed are three good choices.

I'm considering Orks, I have 9 Choppa Boyz with 1 power klaw Nob, and three Warbikes (I can throw some bits on for Nob bikers) as well as a Leman Russ I can turn into a Looted Wagon for some fire power. Add to that a Battleforce to add 3 more Nob bikers, a trukk for the choppa boyz, and 20 Shoota Boyz (might make them 'Ard Boyz because they'll be on foot and it'll fill out points). If I get myself a Warboss on Bike, I will have 1000 points, including a nice fast really hard hitting unit, and a slightly slower slightly softer assault unit. And then I have a fair amount of fire power to back them up in the Looted Wagon with a Boomgun and the shoota boyz.

Whatever you do, don't choose BA. They are in a league of futility all their own. If the other meq codices are any gauge, BA won't be much better after this summer, either.

danny1995 wrote:
I'm considering Orks, I have 9 Choppa Boyz with 1 power klaw Nob, and three Warbikes (I can throw some bits on for Nob bikers) as well as a Leman Russ I can turn into a Looted Wagon for some fire power. Add to that a Battleforce to add 3 more Nob bikers, a trukk for the choppa boyz, and 20 Shoota Boyz (might make them 'Ard Boyz because they'll be on foot and it'll fill out points). If I get myself a Warboss on Bike, I will have 1000 points, including a nice fast really hard hitting unit, and a slightly slower slightly softer assault unit. And then I have a fair amount of fire power to back them up in the Looted Wagon with a Boomgun and the shoota boyz.

Yeah dude, Orks are fun to paint, and easy to convert whatever you want in the codex. Awesome choice to have. The new codex, whenever it comes out, would be fun, and there aint nothin wrong tall IMO with the existing codex

Davor wrote:
Why do you not choose Nids or Orks?

 Colpicklejar wrote:
Why not orks?

 rabidguineapig wrote:
I'd say Orks.

 Ascalam wrote:
Orks, for sure.

Stashgordon36 wrote:
Orks are a no brainer! 48 dice on the charge for a truck full of choppa boyz turn 2. Its hard to match the workout of throwing 5000 pounds worth of dice each turn. Feel the burn!

Orks are not a CC army. We're a shooty army with the ability to "bully" other shooty armies in CC. Put Orks up against CC specialists and watch them die.

 gardeth wrote:

jasper76 wrote:

 Jackal wrote:
How are daemons by far the best?

3 Bloodthirsters, 4 Khornite Daemon Princes, + whatever else. May not be the best CC, but its up there.

^ This is terrible. A Lord of Change with staff will beat a Bloodthirstert most of the time, and if he rolls precognition, EVERY time. And literally and other Daemon Prince + Biomancy is better in CC than a Khornate Prince.

The mono-CC god, who literally cannot do anything but close combat but is suppost to be the best at it, is worse at CC than the magic god? feth this game.

Actually Orks own CC specialists that rely on quality of wounds over quantity. TH/SS termies come to mind. Against high attack shredders, yeah, they are not quite as potent. But still, it takes a LOT of attacks to take down cheap T4 guys.

Nob bikers with a boss are a real assault unit, but what else really is there?

I mean, MANz are okay, I suppose, but what else? Sluggas? I'll believe a 6th ed slugga list when I see it. Stormboyz? commandoez?

When I think of an ork army, my mind immediately springs to a bunch of shootas and lootas with maybe a couple of lobbas or rokkit buggies.

Shooting.

DE with nothing but Venoms and Wyches, with the Duke as your HQ for combat drugs. Plenty of anti-infantry, + Haywire upgrades allow you to deal with tanks just fine.

Feel free to expand with Beastpacks, Haemonculi + troop Wracks, Grotesques, Incubi, Archon deathstars, Succubus, many of the IC's, etc.

Really easy to build. Still decently competitive .

You want ASSAULT? Well, look no further than the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT!

Chaos Daemons are the only "assault" army in 40k, everything else that pretends to be an assault army is a "shoot and assault" army or a "dies horribly" army.