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I think as most people already now Soul Blaze is kind of a waste, it very rarely does anything, despite a unit being caught on fire. Obviously, the rules for 40k are so complex because they're trying to simulate as realistic a war as possible. Well dont know about anyone else, but I wouldn't particularly be standing around while on fire.
Just something I thought of, in addition to the potential wounds, a unit that is set ablaze must move the maximum distance, then roll a D6, on a 4+ the unit MUST run, otherwise they can shoot as normal however they are only able to shoot snapshots.
I think with these additional effects, it makes the 50/50 chance of the flames dying out a little more forgivable
What's everyone else's opinions?

No freakin' way. This takes it from a negligible buff, to one of the strongest in the game. Anything with this rule would utterly dominate shooty armies, effectively cancelling out the firepower of one unit, every time they fired. Helldrake Spam would hit the point of unstopability.

If you want to buff it in a reasonable manner, the easiest is to change the order. Move the d6 roll for removing the token to after you inflict the wounds, so you're guaranteed to get at least 1 round out of it before it goes out.

Another option I heard was simply allow multiple counters to stack. At most, you'll get maybe 2 or 3 markers per unit, and that's if you have a crapton of soul blaze in your army. (Or make it S4.)

Hahaha yeah I guess with all of that it would easily become too OP, yeah if it were to wound first and then have the opportunity to die out it might make more sense. I was really just trying to think realistically what someone might be like if they were on fire, I mean surely you couldn't be too focused on shooting when you're trying to put out the flames that are engulfing you

For the record, Soul blaze is fantastic. How can anyone not see a 50% chance of killing a termagant as a bad thing? It seems like people seem to think it's a negative rule, rather than a small bonus like it's meant to be.

Also, Soul blaze does *hits* this is huge when playing against FMC (tyranids, although they suffer less than say, daemons), because every time soul blaze goes off (equivalent to a BS3 shot hitting), the FMC takes a grounding check.

It effectively means a Lord of Change can cause three grounding checks per turn.

Athurion wrote:
Hahaha yeah I guess with all of that it would easily become too OP, yeah if it were to wound first and then have the opportunity to die out it might make more sense. I was really just trying to think realistically what someone might be like if they were on fire, I mean surely you couldn't be too focused on shooting when you're trying to put out the flames that are engulfing you

While wearing fireproof armor? Or as part of a fearless hive mind? Remember, the whole unit isn't completely consumed by the fire, as though they were doused in gasoline and a match was set. It's more like some of them have a trouser leg burning, or there's a backpack in fire, things like that. In a warzone. While they're beigshot at.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
For the record, Soul blaze is fantastic. How can anyone not see a 50% chance of killing a termagant as a bad thing? It seems like people seem to think it's a negative rule, rather than a small bonus like it's meant to be.

Also, Soul blaze does *hits* this is huge when playing against FMC (tyranids, although they suffer less than say, daemons), because every time soul blaze goes off (equivalent to a BS3 shot hitting), the FMC takes a grounding check.

It effectively means a Lord of Change can cause three grounding checks per turn.

Nope. Grounded Tests trigger off "hits from a unit's shooting attack" so Soul Blaze won't cause them as it's not a Shooting Attack.

And it's far less than a 50% chance to kill a Termagant, as it's only a 50% chance to cause any hits at all and there's no guarantee that any of them will wound, let alone kill.

Its great to see everyone's opinions in this, I'm absolutely no expert on this, I mean I've only played less of 10 games in a year, and used Soul Blaze a couple times, its lasted more than one turn but never wounded. In fact I've had a better success rate with Cultists against Terminators haha. But I know the Soul Blaze USR gets a lot of hate!

I'm with waaghpower here multiple counters would fix it, no need I make it a huge thing

Waaaghpower wrote:

Athurion wrote:
Hahaha yeah I guess with all of that it would easily become too OP, yeah if it were to wound first and then have the opportunity to die out it might make more sense. I was really just trying to think realistically what someone might be like if they were on fire, I mean surely you couldn't be too focused on shooting when you're trying to put out the flames that are engulfing you

While wearing fireproof armor? Or as part of a fearless hive mind? Remember, the whole unit isn't completely consumed by the fire, as though they were doused in gasoline and a match was set. It's more like some of them have a trouser leg burning, or there's a backpack in fire, things like that. In a warzone. While they're beigshot at.

I thought their Souls were on Fire, going by both the name and the fluff behind the rule

Make Soul Blaze str 4, and make it harder to get rid off, and it will be fine.

If it was burning their souls, then would it make sense to even have an armour save? Perhaps just taking that away would make it somewhat more effective, you're only going to get a max of 3 hits right? (its D3 isn't it?) and you still have to roll to wound which at S3 isn't that great, most units you'll have to roll 5+ against, and after all that's only if they dont pass the roll to get rid of it

It's allready s4 ain't it?


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What if we go another route? It's actually a soul-damaging stuff. For every unsaved wound, a model must pass a ld test. If failed - suffers additional d3 wounds without saves of any kind allowed. That totally changes the concept.

I was thinking the same, but without the leadership check.

For every unsaved wound the unit takes an additional D3 S4 (Maybe S3) hit AP- and it has no additional effects after that. That way units with soulblaze can end up mulching their way through horde units instead of having a very remote chance to cause a single wound.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/584395.page

Stop, Drop and Roll =/= Run....

Waaaghpower wrote:

Athurion wrote:
Hahaha yeah I guess with all of that it would easily become too OP, yeah if it were to wound first and then have the opportunity to die out it might make more sense. I was really just trying to think realistically what someone might be like if they were on fire, I mean surely you couldn't be too focused on shooting when you're trying to put out the flames that are engulfing you

While wearing fireproof armor? Or as part of a fearless hive mind? Remember, the whole unit isn't completely consumed by the fire, as though they were doused in gasoline and a match was set. It's more like some of them have a trouser leg burning, or there's a backpack in fire, things like that. In a warzone. While they're beigshot at.

Soulblaze isn't just on fire. Flamers and heavy flamers do not have soul blaze.

Soulblaze is something daemonic or at least transdimesional, the power of the warp is ripping through into normal space and consuming flesh in a flame like way. I'm not sure fire retardant armor covers daemons eating your soul. It also might disrupt the hivemind a bit.

I think the only thing that could be reasonably soul blaze resilient is the avatar of khaine (and he is, would you look at that ).

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I think the only thing that could be reasonably soul blaze resilient is the avatar of khaine (and he is, would you look at that ).

Maybe Flamers?

Obviously, the rules for 40k are so complex because they're trying to simulate as realistic a war as possible.

Lol, are you being serious here?

So if the flames are ethereal as the fluff on it says, and they're basically eating away at their souls, then wouldn't it make sense not to get a save? (except invulnerable)

Theres enough low AP in the game as it is. Especially considering the helldrake has soul blaze as well.