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So with the new knights out i figured i would try to see how i could make a list for in your face fun with still being kinda competative.

MOTF - 90

Ironclad Dread - 180
H. Flamer
Drop pod

Ironclad Dread - 180
H. Flamer
Drop pod

Ironclad Dread - 180
H. Flamer
Drop pod

x5 Scouts - 69
camo cloaks
(5) sniper rifles

x8 Tac Marines - 157
Melta Gun
Rhino

x8 Tac Marines - 157
Melta Gun
Rhino

x7 Tac Marines - 143
Melta Gun
Rhino

Storm Talon - 125
Skyhammer Missles

Predator - 95
H. Bolter Sponsors

Knights Errant - 370.


TOTAL is 1747

this gives me two Ironclads up front first turn. with a third following behinds. some AA with the Storm talon. Big threat/bullet magnet with the Knight. mobile troops for objectives, camping scouts for home and some horde control with the predator. and a MOTF running around trying to fix stuff lol. bumped to 1850 add a aegis with quad gun.

what do you guys think? all comments welcome.

I think you need a little more Long-Range AT

bump to 2000 by dropping a Tactical Scrub, and investing in a Pred Annihilator, and with IH chapter tactics it will be quite solid

Something like this?? i feel like 3 troop choices would be light at 1750?

MOTF - 90

Ironclad Dread - 180
H. Flamer
Drop pod

Ironclad Dread - 180
H. Flamer
Drop pod

Ironclad Dread - 180
H. Flamer
Drop pod

x5 Scouts - 70
camo cloaks
(5) sniper rifles

x8 Tac Marines - 162
Melta Gun
Rhino W/ Dozer blades

x8 Tac Marines - 162
Melta Gun
Rhino w/ Dozer blades

Storm Talon - 125
Skyhammer Missles

Predator - 115
Las Sponsors

Predator - 115
Las Sponsors

Knights Errant - 370.

TOTAL = 1749

Can't stress the Thunderfire Cannon enough. Seriously, way better than a predator and it totally fits the "theme".

Yeah, that was what I was thinking.

As for a Thunderfire, I reckon it would be something to add at 1850, as at 1750, he has most bases covered with the latest incarnation

I actually thought your long range AT was decent (I like your first list better). Sure, your AT weapon dont go far, but the models holding them have reach, specifically, the ironclads first turn, then those plus the other ironclad and errant 2nd turn and after (maybe errant first turn depending on deployment). I think the MOTF is a big mistake. Yes, its fluffy, but it doesnt do anything in your list. If it is to repair ironclads, its ganna give slay the warlord and first blood immediately and if it is to repair the rhinos, then that is just silly. I dont think you should use the predators with this list, it does nothing that your dreadnoughts are not doing 100x better on turn 1. I think a thunderfire cannon in this list would be ok if for some reason you could only change 1 thing with the list... I got another plan though. I also think having Meltagun/HF ironclads isnt a great choice. Either have 2 Melta/StormB's and one HF/HF ironclad, or have 2 HF/HF and 1 Melta/StormB ironclad. I think the meltaguns on your tacticals would not be usefull (why would you bring a rhino and 8 marines within 6" of something you need melta to kill).

Get rid of MOTF, the predator, and use 2HF/HF ironclads and 1 Melta/bolter rionclad. This would give you 195pts and the need for a new HQ.
I would get a cheap librarian and roll on the Telepathy, hoping to get puppet master, invisibility, or hallucination, and if not, just get psychic shriek.
This leaves you with 130pts. I would either get:
1. Storm Talon
2. TFC
3. Aegis with quadgun.

Personally, the quadgun would have to be fired by the lone scouts, which any deepstrikers would take out and then use it against you. The TFC is no long needed with 2 HF/HF ironclads and a knight errant (which puts out an AP2 melta large blast and STOMPS). The stormtalon is a great boon to your army, since you are already lacking in anti air, so that would be my choice. Here is your list with my suggestions:


Iron Hands:
HQ:
Librarian (telepathy)- 65pts

Toops:
5 Scouts, x4 sniper rifles, 1x HB, camo cloaks- 70pts
9 Tac Marines, HF, rhino - 171
7 Tac Marines, HF, rhino - 143
7 Tac Marines, HF, rhino - 143

Elites:
Ironclad Dread HF/HF, droppod- 180
Ironclad Dread HF/HF, droppod- 180
Ironclad Dread stormbolter, meltagun, droppod- 170

Fast Attack
Skyhammer Talon- 125pts
Skyhammer Talon- 125pts

Other:
Knights Errant - 370.


TOTAL: 1749


Stick the librarian with the 9 tac marines in the rhino, accompanied by the other two rhinos. I traded your tactical's meltaguns for HF for holding objectives better, and since you have your ironclads and skyhammers for AV (flying AC's are better than a flying Lazcannon, and the skyhammer is great for light AV). You had the extra points, so I have your scouts a heavy bolter, it has the same range but gives you 3 str5 ap4 shots to go along with your 4 sniper shots (nearly doubles your shots, good str, ap4). The ironclads already have amazing anti AV abilities and really don't need to use their meltagun (if you are already within 6", you are ganna be destroying that AV in CC regardless of having a meltagun). Having two skyhammers lets you take on a moderate amount of flyers, having 4 str6 rending shots (better than 2 lascannons in every situation) and 6 str7 ap4 shots gives you great light AV/ heavy infantry firepower. The knight errant is of course a knight errant and will attract early game firepower away from your rhinos, since everyone is scared shitless of str D.

That gives you 7 heavy flamer templates (who needs a TFC with that), 3 ironclads, decent scouts, scoring tacs in rhino that wont get touched till 2nd or 3rd turn, fliers that can battle for the skies, a libby in a rhino, and a melon-fething knight errant.

Tactical Squads cant take HF

Iron Hands:
HQ:
Librarian (telepathy)- 65pts

Toops:
5 Scouts, x4 sniper rifles, 1x HB, camo cloaks- 70pts
9 Tac Marines, HF, rhino - 171
7 Tac Marines, HF, rhino - 143
7 Tac Marines, HF, rhino - 143

Elites:
Ironclad Dread HF/HF, droppod- 180
Ironclad Dread HF/HF, droppod- 180
Ironclad Dread stormbolter, meltagun, droppod- 170

Fast Attack
Skyhammer Talon- 125pts
Skyhammer Talon- 125pts

Other:
Knights Errant - 370.

i really like this list. i guess since they cant take Heavy Flamers take heavy bolters?? also in all honestly is the Knight OP? i havent got a chance to play agianst or use one but i hear alot of people hate them. im not a WAAC Guy i like fun games with a good turn 4+ match of killing fun. if need be i can swap out the Knight for smashf@#$er and a bike squad or something.