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2014/04/17 10:14:06
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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What does it mean?
Fliers have to enter via reserves, and usually this means from your own board edge in Zoom mode.
Does the deepstrike rule mean they can come on via deepstrike? If so, in hover mode, or still zooming mode?
I don't imagine it's just an out of date rule, as I'm pretty sure "Imperial Armour - Aeronautica" was released *after* 6th ed Warhammer 40K..... specifically to bring Forgeworld units into line with the new rules
I'm not sure what to make of this rule.
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2014/04/17 10:35:17
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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I asked Forgeworld for clarification on this as it seems to only be Forgeworld flyers that seem to retains this rule. Sadly without an FAQ this is essentially hearsay but for what it is worth they confirmed that for the Dreadclaw at least when it arrives from Deepstrike it counts as a Flyer in hover mode.
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2014/04/17 10:55:19
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Last TO said deepstrike the unit 1st turn it comes on.
Since it counts as moving at cruising speed, the model can be either zooming or cruising and nothing restricts that choice as far as I can see.
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2014/04/17 12:04:10
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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liturgies, the problem with that is per the Deep Strike rules it does not count as moving Cruising Speed until the Shooting phase. For most vehicles it does not matter, for a non-hovering Flyer it does.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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2014/04/17 16:13:15
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Lurking Gaunt
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Edit: I was massively wrong, now that I have access to the FAQ again. Whelp, ignore my input.
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2014/04/17 16:33:50
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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The BRB FAQ that's currently up doesn't appear to have anything related to this at all.
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2014/04/18 06:53:41
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Deepstriking FMCs were in Swooping Mode.
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2014/04/18 13:04:59
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Fixture of Dakka
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How a Flying Monstrous Creature arrives from deep strike is irrelevant to how a Flyer comes in from deep strike, though if you want to avoid crash and burn....
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2014/04/18 15:05:51
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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Well Happy, at worst you can move flat out and get a coversave.
I don't know if there are any FW flyers that still have DS other than the dreadclaw but IMHO if they do then they should be able to DS and not crash as their rule doesn't work otherwise.
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2014/04/18 15:15:40
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 liturgies of blood wrote:Well Happy, at worst you can move flat out and get a coversave.
I don't know if there are any FW flyers that still have DS other than the dreadclaw but IMHO if they do then they should be able to DS and not crash as their rule doesn't work otherwise.
The main issue is that you did not move 18+". Meaning at the end of the Movement phase you would crash. In a friendly game, I'd have no issues with it. If asked to make a ruling at a tournament, DSing Flyers would have to arrive in Hover mode. If unable they cannot DS.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/04/18 15:38:38
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
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It does seem like a bit of an oversight to not address this. Strick RAW you are right but it's stupid to give a model a rule that doesn't work.
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2014/04/18 15:44:53
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Preacher of the Emperor
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I think the Avenger Strike fighter has deep strike and no hover.
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2014/04/18 16:07:17
Subject: Re:Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Confessor Of Sins
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I still play the Avenger strike fighter, which indeed has Deep Strike.
Old Thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/511368.page
Relevant Quote:
If a flyer deep strikes, it is considered to be moving cruising speed.
Cruising speed for a flyer is over 18 and up to 36 inches.
The flyer does not crash, as the Zooming flyer counts as having moved at least 18 inches, as it counts as moving cruising speed
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It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. |
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2014/04/18 16:10:13
Subject: Re:Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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 BlackTalos wrote:I still play the Avenger strike fighter, which indeed has Deep Strike.
Old Thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/511368.page
Relevant Quote:
If a flyer deep strikes, it is considered to be moving cruising speed.
Cruising speed for a flyer is over 18 and up to 36 inches.
The flyer does not crash, as the Zooming flyer counts as having moved at least 18 inches, as it counts as moving cruising speed
As I pointed out above, the "counts as moving Cruising Speed" applies only to the shooting phase.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/04/18 16:12:32
Subject: Re:Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Confessor Of Sins
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It does indeed, but i would go with "there is no way to resolve it" so we take the "counts as" implying intent?
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Roronoa Zoro wrote:When the world shoves you around, you just gotta stand up and shove back. It's not like somebody's gonna save you if you start babbling excuses. - Bring on the hardship. It's preferred in a path of carnage.
Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. |
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2014/04/18 22:45:25
Subject: Re:Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Happyjew wrote: BlackTalos wrote:I still play the Avenger strike fighter, which indeed has Deep Strike.
Old Thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/511368.page
Relevant Quote:
If a flyer deep strikes, it is considered to be moving cruising speed.
Cruising speed for a flyer is over 18 and up to 36 inches.
The flyer does not crash, as the Zooming flyer counts as having moved at least 18 inches, as it counts as moving cruising speed
As I pointed out above, the "counts as moving Cruising Speed" applies only to the shooting phase.
And yet this logic is counter to the "Can a Tervigon gate and then spawn" arguments that went around. If it "counts as" then it counts as having gone 18"
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2014/04/18 23:06:29
Subject: Re:Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Fragile wrote: Happyjew wrote: BlackTalos wrote:I still play the Avenger strike fighter, which indeed has Deep Strike.
Old Thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/511368.page
Relevant Quote:
If a flyer deep strikes, it is considered to be moving cruising speed.
Cruising speed for a flyer is over 18 and up to 36 inches.
The flyer does not crash, as the Zooming flyer counts as having moved at least 18 inches, as it counts as moving cruising speed
As I pointed out above, the "counts as moving Cruising Speed" applies only to the shooting phase.
And yet this logic is counter to the "Can a Tervigon gate and then spawn" arguments that went around. If it "counts as" then it counts as having gone 18"
No, it counts as having moved. Which means it moved an undefined number of inches, which is neither more nor less than 18". Once you go to shoot your weapons, then it counts as having moved Cruising Speed.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/04/19 06:28:48
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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Wasnt there an eratta removing DS from all flyers, from GW and FW?
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2014/04/19 07:04:09
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Nope. Some of the FW fliers still have it, I think.
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2014/04/19 09:45:02
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Confessor Of Sins
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BlackTalos wrote:I still play the Avenger strike fighter, which indeed has Deep Strike.
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Roronoa Zoro wrote:When the world shoves you around, you just gotta stand up and shove back. It's not like somebody's gonna save you if you start babbling excuses. - Bring on the hardship. It's preferred in a path of carnage.
Manchu wrote:
It's like you take a Space Marine and say "what could make him cooler?" Instead of adding more super-genetic-psycho-organic modification, you take it all away. You have a regular human left in power armor and all the armies of hell at the gates. And she doesn't even flinch. Pure. Badass. |
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2014/04/19 12:51:53
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/04/20 06:48:22
Subject: Forgeworld Fliers with Deepstrike rule
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Hellish Haemonculus
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As does the Raven Strike Fighter. I think there's a clear demonstration of intent here. I think that flyers which maintained Deep Strike but do not have Hover are intended to be able to do so without automatically crashing. Seems pretty clear. (I have heard a counter-argument that points out other models with useless rules, such as Lysander's Iron Halo, but the Raven even has a special rule pertaining to Deep Striking, so it was obviously intended to be able to do so.)
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