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I haven't gotten a chance to see the rules yet, but im contemplating buying the book for them as a possible addition to my force, if not for a touch of intimidation.
I'm curious though, are they any good in games and how do you field them in say, a space marine army? Do they have to do the whole allies thing or what?

I cannot comment on usefulness, however, they can either be taken as a Primary detachment (I think 3-6) or as a special allied detachment that does not use up your 'normal' allied slot.

*takes a breath* A primary detachment of IK is 3-6. If you do this, one is considered a warlord and as such you roll on the warlord trait table within the codex. You then roll a dice to determine the other knights "titles" and stats. The codex has a lot of rules that are no covered in the white dwarf, I've gone against people who only bring that to the table and when I start doing things they havn't seen they ask "It doesn't say that in my White Dwarf", well your white dwarf isn't a codex now is it? Buy it.

All those things only apply as a Primary though, as an additional (which I think the OP is saying he's thinking about) them the WD is all you need, unless you don't already have Superheavy rules somewhere.

the white dwarf codex will suffice if you just want to deploy a single knight as an ally though

Yeah I only want a single knight or two as an ally i don't really want them as the core of my force. Glad to hear I can get what I need from the WD though. Saves a few monies!

Can anyone give me the WD number? so I can scoop one up on ebay or something.

As far as usefulness:

I prefer the paladin over the errant first off.

-Two ordnance large blasts a turn from across the table is good, but if he does this all game, he'll barely recoup his point cost. (exact enemy list composition may change the value of this tactic.)

-A bastion is just about the perfect size to hide behind and be fully LOS blocked from say...tank hunting imperial fist devastators etc.

-I generally hide behind a bastion for deployment, then come out shooting. Try to go along a flank to get front armor and the ion shield against all your opponent's heavy weapons. DON'T walk up the middle and GET flanked. Send other stuff up the middle.

-Don't surround your knight with your own guys, in case he explodes.

-Make sure you shoot at least a stubber at a unit you plan to charge.

-Same advice for all walkers. Don't try to melee guys with haywire grenades. Find out where those things are at the start of the battle, and be on the other side of the board.

Obeying most of those tactical points will most likely reward you with a knight who pays for himself at least 1.5 times in terms of enemy damage, as well as the battlefield control he offers, in the way of scaring enemies out of 20ish inches from him so they don't get assaulted, and blasting transports open with the battle cannon causing guys to walk.

The pally is a nicely balanced unit at his cost, and I'm actually impressed at GW about it. Instead of it being a "nah too expensive" or "auto-include," reaction for me, it's actually a "do I want to take him or not?" question every time, which is probably the best possible question you could ask yourself about a balanced unit.

I was under the influence that the WD doesnt have D weapon rules, the stomp special rule, and a few other core special rules for the IK am i wrong


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Special rules for the imperial knight (someone tell me if theyre sll in the WD)

-super heavy walker
-super heavy walker dmg table
-catastrophic dmg table
-stomp
-invincible behemoth
-D weapon

shauni55 wrote:
I was under the influence that the WD doesnt have D weapon rules, the stomp special rule, and a few other core special rules for the IK am i wrong


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Special rules for the imperial knight (someone tell me if theyre sll in the WD)

-super heavy walker
-super heavy walker dmg table
-catastrophic dmg table
-stomp
-invincible behemoth
-D weapon

Correct, these are not in the WD, so if you carry the WD, hopefully you or your opponent has a copy of Apoc.
I recommend buying the codex if you are going to play them because it is much easier to tote around the IK book.

Ah I see it looks like I'll have to grab that book then. So many books to buy!

I'd say Escalation and the WD would be a better investment, of you have no desire to ever run them as a Primary, as you'll get rules for a bunch of other units too, all the Superheavy rules and the necessary info to run Knights as an additional.

BrianDavion wrote:
the white dwarf codex will suffice if you just want to deploy a single knight as an ally though

this!

Don't waste money on codex, WD will do.


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shauni55 wrote:
I was under the influence that the WD doesnt have D weapon rules, the stomp special rule, and a few other core special rules for the IK am i wrong


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Special rules for the imperial knight (someone tell me if theyre sll in the WD)

-super heavy walker
-super heavy walker dmg table
-catastrophic dmg table
-stomp
-invincible behemoth
-D weapon

You can find all that info in rumors section, 40k discussion, and other blog sites. I was able to compile that info in a day of web search...

I'm a big fan of fluff, and while I thought the Codex was going to be silly and make me feel like I wasted my money. The Lore itself is amazing. Possibly one of my favorite reads, I didn't know it would be so complex considering they're just huge robots. On the other hand I really wanted to paint a bunch of these, so the many pages of the different houses and paint schemes really comes in handy.

Shoot the Stubber at a group you want to charge?

Is that so you can shoot the heavy weapon at a vehicle that's farther distance?

That way you still charge the crunchies withing charge range?

ASSUMING you want to run knights yet lack eaither apoclpse or escalation then, yes the Knight codex has everything you need in one place.

if you have apoc and or escalation, and just want to run a single knight as an ally, the WD article is proably all you need


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shauni55 wrote:
I'm a big fan of fluff, and while I thought the Codex was going to be silly and make me feel like I wasted my money. The Lore itself is amazing. Possibly one of my favorite reads, I didn't know it would be so complex considering they're just huge robots. On the other hand I really wanted to paint a bunch of these, so the many pages of the different houses and paint schemes really comes in handy.

agreed the fluff, IMHO is the primary reason to buy the codex.

Note you do not HAVE to roll on the table. It's awesome though.

Are the knights only scoring when they're the primary detachment, or are allied knights scoring as well?

Primary only.

To all those guys saying you need the WD only, you realise those rules are different to what is in the IK codex right?

Well I just got the new guard codex so I was just wondering before hand if I could have that as yet another add on ontop of allied guard for my marines.

I dont have any esco though or apoc stuff so it sounds like the codex would be the cheaper option.

 Sasa0mg wrote:
Well I just got the new guard codex so I was just wondering before hand if I could have that as yet another add on ontop of allied guard for my marines.

I dont have any esco though or apoc stuff so it sounds like the codex would be the cheaper option.

in your case most likely so yes

 Krellnus wrote:
Primary only.

To all those guys saying you need the WD only, you realise those rules are different to what is in the IK codex right?

You're going to have to expand on that, because I've got both, and there are no rules differences for the Knights that I've noticed.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
Primary only.

To all those guys saying you need the WD only, you realise those rules are different to what is in the IK codex right?

You're going to have to expand on that, because I've got both, and there are no rules differences for the Knights that I've noticed.

Ally matrix.

I have run a Paladin in an 1850 point list, along with two manticores. The Paladin really draws alot of fire. With AV13, and a 4+ invul save (shield), on can with stand alot of shots. It left the two manticore alone all game.

The biggest problem i have had is with Arjac, the space wolf guy, he has killed my Knight twice, in two different games. The knights are great in long range shooting, but, be careful in close combat.

 martin74 wrote:
I have run a Paladin in an 1850 point list, along with two manticores. The Paladin really draws alot of fire. With AV13, and a 4+ invul save (shield), on can with stand alot of shots. It left the two manticore alone all game.

The biggest problem i have had is with Arjac, the space wolf guy, he has killed my Knight twice, in two different games. The knights are great in long range shooting, but, be careful in close combat.

I overestimated my Knight in it's first game. It dealt a few wounds but when 1 for 1 with a dreadknight both of which died.

Yeah, a lot of people see the words super heavy and Strength: D and automatically assume it is broken.

In fact it is a very balanced unit for its cost.

Johnnytorrance wrote:
Shoot the Stubber at a group you want to charge?

Is that so you can shoot the heavy weapon at a vehicle that's farther distance?

That way you still charge the crunchies withing charge range?

Yes. Although big squads, especially too-expensive-for-how-easy-they-die MEQ squads make for excellent battle cannon shots too.

Last game I ran him, CSM opponent had a khorne lord with berserkers pick up a relic with vehicles giving cover. So my knight just shot over the vehicles, let them have their cover saves, and still killed all but the lord. (also got damage attempts against the vehicles at the same time, but had very sub par rolls there.)


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 Imperator_Class wrote:
Yeah, a lot of people see the words super heavy and Strength: D and automatically assume it is broken.

In fact it is a very balanced unit for its cost.

Totally this. We had a guy flat out say he wouldn't play against them before we even had the white dwarf rules. He is pretty high on the TFG meter though.