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So, since I am going to try to start a budget Chaos army I am going to head things off by making a custom warlord out the bits I have lying around. I can pretty much cobble together everything on the Chaos list outside of Lightning claws or Termie armor. I was thinking of using a Burning Brand and a Black Mace for some dead killy fun. But this does make him expensive....

Go either or. Depends on how u're gona use him. And what's gona his retinue be.

The weapons are usually pf+lc, AoBF if he's Khornate, Brand and nothing else or claw/fist. Mace is usually considered too expensive for a lord and mainly used on daemon princes for ap2. But still a good weapon if you don't meet 2+ armor guyz.

What do you give a Chaos Lord? You give him hugs... hugs and candy.... but no alcohol... and don't feed him after midnight.


...or give him a bolt pistol and power maul...

I'm considering throwing him into a Rhino with plague marines and giving him a MoN.

So, he's gona have low mobility. Probably brand and a power fist - though, fist is not a must. Just an expensive defensive weapon. I'd probably even give a try to barebones brand lord. If you invest too much in him - you need to reliably get him in mellee with someone you want to face.

The problem is that in rhino he's pretty incapable to get in mellee when and where needed. You need a bike or landraider for that. Even jumppack. Otherwise, i'd not even bother with mellee gear cause when you're in rhino the opponent chooses what to throw at him and not you.

Don't forget steeds for mobility - aside from Nurgle - and other potential bonuses

Hmm. So, in a Land Raider, would I use the PF/LC set up? Or would that be for a Jump Pack guy?

Bike > Jump Pack 90% of the time, you get way more awesome stuff for your points PLUS +1T, which stacks with MoN.
And PF/LC is a common build for a biker lord.
Burning Brand is always good, especially if you're putting him in a rhino with plagues.
I'd recommend something like this, if you're playing him with Plague Marines; BBoS, Sigil of Corruption, Power Sword since you said no easy LC, and PF or Melta Bombs.

LC is basically always better than Power Sword, since it's the same points but has Shred re-rolls for to wound rolls. Since both Lightning Claw and Power Fist are specialist weapons, they stack together nicely since they're meant for different things but still give an extra attack to the Lord.

I actually found a lightning claw arm in my bitz box. That actually sounds like a pretty good set up. I may give that a whirl.

Biker Nurgle Lord may be something I would consider in the future. I'd assume he would be stuck in with some nurgle bikers?

Having been on the receiving end I can attest to the effectiveness of a Chaos Lord on a bike with the MON.

If your going nurgle and your NOT going to hang out with plague marines, always take blight grenades. 5 bones for defensive grenades is a steal, and their effects will benefit any squad your lord joins.

Your lord might be your warlord, even if he is not you probably want something in the way of an invul save. Sigils for warlords or if you can afford, auras for cheap. You probably won't need melta bombs if you are taking a fist, only other thing to conisder is a gift of mutation. It is never required, and is sometimes useless, but with the exception of a few rolls a bike lord will benefit from the gift.

Best retinue for biker lord are Nurgle Spawns. Bikers are not bad either but spawns generally outperform bikers cause of their awesome durability.

you are required to challenge. Buy a weapon. PFist for anything not slaanesh. BM isnt bad at AP4. 4/5+D6 attacks, and even 1 getting through is enough to decimate a squad. No invulns allowed.

If you can go CS suppliment, Deamonheart , a sigil, a pfist with MoN and a bike will give opponents fits.

Go with spawn for a giant tarpit-proof rapehammer. I prefer bikes to get the 2 additional special weapons. Plasmas are always useful, and you get another champ to throw a pfist on and take the challenge on an Avatar or such like.

 koooaei wrote:
Best retinue for biker lord are Nurgle Spawns. Bikers are not bad either but spawns generally outperform bikers cause of their awesome durability.

Unless you're unlucky enough to face DE a lot like I do I curse the day someone thought it'd be cool to give an entire army poison (and lance aka vehicle poison, and haywire aka vehicle poison++).

 koooaei wrote:
Best retinue for biker lord are Nurgle Spawns. Bikers are not bad either but spawns generally outperform bikers cause of their awesome durability.

the problem using spawns + biker CL is Focus Fire. I'd say it's best using the beasts if you put the CL in a Juggernaut (the beasts would need to be khorne/unmarked, though)

If he's nurgle, I know what he'll give you! HERPES!

I'd put him on a bike. A foot slogging or Rhino based lord is just too slow / underwhelming in both shooting and melee.

Bike, MON, brand or mace, not both. Stick him with other bikers or Spawn, peel him off near something squishy and melt them.

 King Pariah wrote:
Don't forget steeds for mobility - aside from Nurgle - and other potential bonuses

or Bikes

 Exergy wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:
Don't forget steeds for mobility - aside from Nurgle - and other potential bonuses

or Bikes

It was in response to the post above mine who did bring up bikes.

 koooaei wrote:
Best retinue for biker lord are Nurgle Spawns. Bikers are not bad either but spawns generally outperform bikers cause of their awesome durability.

have to be very careful though, you can focus fire because they have different cover saves(jink).


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 Vector Strike wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Best retinue for biker lord are Nurgle Spawns. Bikers are not bad either but spawns generally outperform bikers cause of their awesome durability.

the problem using spawns + biker CL is Focus Fire. I'd say it's best using the beasts if you put the CL in a Juggernaut (the beasts would need to be khorne/unmarked, though)

ugg need to read down further

Give him a sigil and a powerfist. That should be enough. Or, of course, give him a mark to unlock god warriors as troops.

Otherwise, I'd give him a jump pack if you want him to deepstrike, though I'd avoid his painfully expensive terminator armor as much as possible. Also, you can swap out that powerfist for (or just add) a relic, if you want to.

In any case, the point of a chaos lord is to unlock certain things as troops, and to also be pretty beaty. If you don't want to unlock troops, then I'd steer you towards some special characters instead. Huron, for example, is like a chaos lord in many ways, but just straight better (his only drawback is not unlocking), and kharn and abaddon are both pretty buff. And there is stuff that can also do damage, but gives out gives out more synergies (like bile and sorcerers) too.

 Vector Strike wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Best retinue for biker lord are Nurgle Spawns. Bikers are not bad either but spawns generally outperform bikers cause of their awesome durability.

the problem using spawns + biker CL is Focus Fire. I'd say it's best using the beasts if you put the CL in a Juggernaut (the beasts would need to be khorne/unmarked, though)

Thats only a prolem if you're using the lord to tank for the spawn, but fortunately it's the other way around. They could declare focus fire 5+ on your lord, but you can LoS! them on to the spawn. Focus Fire only states that you cannot allocate wounds onto models with a better cover save.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
So, since I am going to try to start a budget Chaos army I am going to head things off by making a custom warlord out the bits I have lying around. I can pretty much cobble together everything on the Chaos list outside of Lightning claws or Termie armor. I was thinking of using a Burning Brand and a Black Mace for some dead killy fun. But this does make him expensive....

Try a Juggerlord.

Sigil of Corruption, mark of khorne, axe of blind fury, juggernaut of khorne.

Bam, done!

All for a pretty cheap and hurty beatsick.

On the other hand he only unlocks berserkers for troops and just about anything Berserkers can do, MoK+Icon Chaos Space Marines can do too...while still having guns to shoot, and being cheaper.