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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/27 05:20:17
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Are the Chaos gods limited to the milkyway galaxy or do they span into others? Would their be different gods in other galaxies?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/27 05:31:23
Subject: Re:Chaos Gods Local?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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The same gods in different incarnations, I would assume. Extragalactic sentient life probably has war, need for more, decay and the ability to scheme.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/27 06:33:59
Subject: Re:Chaos Gods Local?
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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TheCustomLime wrote:The same gods in different incarnations, I would assume. Extragalactic sentient life probably has war, need for more, decay and the ability to scheme.
Agreed. We already know that the same Gods and even some of the same daemon characters (like Ku'Gath, or U'Zhul Skulltaker) exist in both the 40k and the WHFB universes.
I think that no matter what happens to life in our galaxy, the Gods are fed by sooooo many other realities that they'd hardly notice if the Milky Way just blinked out of existence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/27 22:36:19
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Gork and Mork are apparently far more powerful than any of the big 4 Chaos Gods. Therefore it stands to reason that their influence covers a smaller area than that of the Ork Gods. I think Orks live outside of the Milky Way though, so who knows.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/27 22:51:35
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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beezley1981 wrote:Gork and Mork are apparently far more powerful than any of the big 4 Chaos Gods. Therefore it stands to reason that their influence covers a smaller area than that of the Ork Gods. I think Orks live outside of the Milky Way though, so who knows.
People keep saying Gork and Mork Re the strongest but it is not in any of the books. The only thing about any of the gods fighting Gork or Mork is this 1 time where they killed a GUO and Nurgle cursed them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/28 06:55:08
Subject: Re:Chaos Gods Local?
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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It's said that Gork and Mork are the strongest in the Ork Codices, but what else would you expect from orks? They say that orks are the strongest and best in a fight too, and we all know that that's not quit true. I think that it's just in an orks nature to believe its bigger and stronger then anything else out there, and so that same mindset would extend to Orkish divinity too. So the claims that Gork and Mork are the strongest gods out there can easily be explained away as ork propaganda.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/28 07:46:52
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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"We're the best faction and our fluff is the strongest"
- Every codex ever written.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/28 08:23:04
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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IIRC, it's mentioned somewhere that Khorne has "drowned a galaxy in blood", or something like that. Anyone know where it's mentioned? I'm fairly certain that I heard it was in a Chaos codex, but I am unsure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/28 15:01:09
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well, it could be referring to the milky way galaxy. There is only war, after all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/28 15:09:13
Subject: Re:Chaos Gods Local?
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Stoic Grail Knight
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I suppose the Chaos gods would be local in the context that they feed off of the emotions and energies of sentient life in this galaxy (the Milky Way). I would imagine that the void between the galaxies is relatively bereft of Chaotic influence. In the Horus Heresy lore, the idea behind the Cabal attempting to influence the Alpha Legion was that ensuring the utter destruction of humanity would precipitate the demise of the Chaos gods as they "starved" from loss of sentient sustenance. And if that line of thinking was true, then it would indicate that the Chaos gods are local to our galaxy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/28 15:21:56
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Chaos has never encountered Tyranids before as per the new Tyranids codex, ergo safe to assume that Chaos is 'local'. Also, there is another source that states that warp travel beyond the confines of the galaxy is impossible, as the warp in these areas is entirely 100% calm due to a lack of warp energy via sentient beings creating 'flow' in that area by which a ship could 'sail'. I wouldn't say this means that the Chaos gods are thus confined, but considering the lack of familiarity with 'nids, you can assume that if they are it is for this reason.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/28 16:06:10
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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You would assume that if the warp "sea" was calm that it would be smoother sailing and a lot safer due to no daemonic incursions. Which would make travelling outside the Milky Way faster, not impossible.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/28 16:17:25
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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On the contrary. Warp travel is basically the futuristic equivalent to age of sail travel, no current, no tide, and no wind in the sails equals a ship dead in the water, likewise a starship in the warp without a warp current to travel on doesn't go anywhere and is effectively lost in the warp. In case you never picked up on it, a ship doesn't travel through the warp under its own power, warp drives are merely used to get it into and out of the warp, and the ship 'sails' on the warp currents and disturbances caused by real world warp energy 'sources.'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 16:22:03
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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The only difference being that an old ship needed the wind to fill its sails and propel it forward. However starships have large engines on the back which create thrust. This thrust would move the ship forward.... wouldn't it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 19:26:33
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Mellow wrote:The only difference being that an old ship needed the wind to fill its sails and propel it forward. However starships have large engines on the back which create thrust. This thrust would move the ship forward.... wouldn't it?
Only in Realspace, not in the Warp, where the laws of physics don't apply. If you were trying to fly out to another galaxy using sub-light engines, it would take you thousands to millions of years to reach the next galaxy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 19:38:52
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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Preacher of the Emperor
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TiamatRoar wrote:Well, it could be referring to the milky way galaxy. There is only war, after all.
But why phrase it like that? If they're referring to the Milky Way, why not just say "this galaxy"?
Besides, Khorne didn't mess the Milky Way up so badly by himself. There's plenty of other warmongering factions around.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/29 19:44:16
Subject: Chaos Gods Local?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Troike wrote:TiamatRoar wrote:Well, it could be referring to the milky way galaxy. There is only war, after all.
But why phrase it like that? If they're referring to the Milky Way, why not just say "this galaxy"?
Besides, Khorne didn't mess the Milky Way up so badly by himself. There's plenty of other warmongering factions around.
The lack of Chaos' experience with the Tyranids before their invasion suggests that Chaos is only extant within the boundaries of the galaxy.
In addition, given that Slaanesh was birthed by a species with no extra-galactic presence we can assume that she is not drawing from outside the galaxy; otherwise the infinite amount of decadence from an infinite number of galaxies would have birthed her as quickly as sapient life developed.
The final nail in the coffin comes from the warp only hosting proto-chaos in the first place due to the war in heaven, which was a purely local affair.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote:Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
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