Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Well here goes nothing...

HQ - 85 points

Toofmasta


Bounca Nobz

Toofmaster

I do not like the special rule because it is just so ridiculously vague and all-encompassing that it is kind of silly. How does extra teef make a deep strike more accurate? How does it make a ramshackle test better? The rule needs to be tuned into way better focus than what we have.

Bouncas

They "pass look out sir on a 5"? Um...why is their LOS roll worse than anything in the game? LOS for ICs (which I assume the Toofmaster is) is a 2+ and for non-ICs it is a 4+. I am seriously confused.

And if they are nobs, why do they not have access to the same gear as other nobs?

So you mean add some text explaining how the rule could work or change it's effects? Any ideas on which could work?

As for the Bouncaz, I didn't have the codex or rulebook with me at the time (don't ask) so it was written by memory (ex. Thought LOS roll succeeded on a 6+). I'll edit it when I can.

Thanks for the feedback!

Personally, I do not like any rules that can affect anything, as the wording "a bad roll" means a great deal in the mind of someone looking to break the game. After all, is it not a 'bad roll' that the enemy psyker activates his force weapon? Why can't I force that to be re-rolled? The way it is worded now, there's no defense against that because RAW, it works.

However, let's break down the idea and make it something more reliable and fluffy. Obviously, Ork teef is the money, and with teef a squad can get choppier/shootier weapons and better armor or equipment. So instead of making the teef something of a universal reality-affecting power, let's make it so that the squad that the Toofmaster begins with benefits from his extra wealth, ala the Jokaero with his table of weapon improvements. This would be difficult because your table will need to account not just for guns, but for melee weapons, armor and equipment as well. But it would be a suitably Orky table.

Likewise, the toofmasta is big money right? He should have accesas to nearly every bit of gear an ork can buy, imo.


Finally, as far as the Bouncas. The more I think about them, the more I'd just say nix them entirely. I don't see them doing anything unique enough that I would take them over say, regular nobs with their better gear options.

Interesting idea. I've never seen the Jokaero table though (then again, this is the Internet. It should be here somewhere.) I'll look into it and change it.

I see what you mean by the Bouncaz. I'll get rid of them.

Well, the Jokaero basically is a d6 table where:

1 - No effect
2 - All guns in the unit get +12" to range
3 - Unit improves their armor save by 1
4 - Unit's guns get rending
5 - Unit gets a 5++
6 - Roll twice

Where are you getting this numbers from?

- Orks with bs3 -> bs2
- Nobz with ld8 -> ld7
- Big choppa 10 pts -> 5 pts
- Power klaw 20 pts -> 25 pts
- Attack squig 5 pts -> 15 pts
- Burna 3pts -> 15 pts
- Rokkit launcha 15 pts -> 10 pts