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I am starting a new Ork army and I'm not too sure which HQ to get. I have the orks from the Assault on Blackreach models, except I've lost that HQ. If this helps I'm gonna try to run a speedy army, ie. trukk, deffkoptas, and bikers, but I'm willing to change my army list for effectiveness (my main target is a friend who plays as Tau ).And so to run this army I was going to buy a battleforce, because of the trukk, bikes and boyz, but is there something in the same price range that could do the job except better?

Thanks for any replies in advance.

There's bound to be a new codex in the next few months, so this might change.

I think the best ork HQ, currently, is either a warboss on a bike, or in mega-armour.

The biker-boss benefits from T6, and mobility to get where he need to be. The mega-boss gets a 2+ save. Both should take cybork bodies and powerklaws.

A big mek with a forcefield is not a bad choice, but I think he's overpriced in 6th ed. In 5th ed, he provide a 4+ save for your vehicles, but that was reduced to 5+ in 6th ed, there are more things that ignore cover ,and his price has not yet dropped accordingly.

If money is a factor (as in, if you're trying to only buy the few most useful models), I'd put off making your decision until after the new codex drops.

A battleforce is a great way to get started with a speedier Ork army. Given the general price reductions and boosts to effectiveness bikes have gotten in the last few codices, I'd expect Ork Warbikers to get a nice little buff. Warbosses are great HQs for Orks, and Big Meks with KFF used to be pretty big contenders for support HQs. I don't recall if they are anymore, but a cover save on a battlewagon is always welcome.

Thanks but the battleforce includes 20 Boys a Trukk and 3 Bikers. Would they not be useful no matter the changes? Money isn't that much of a factor it's just what I currently have to spend and thanks for the reply. And Brother SRM when you said warbosses did you mean Gorgutz or just like a plain Warboss?

They PROBABLY will, though go figure, gak happens sometimes (example-nid ripper swarms getting more expensive for some reason)

Overall, its a decent enough buy for a starter I'd say. not exacly the bee's knees, but its nearly playable on its own (just ad HQ model), and though not too strong and does not supply a really big army, easy to expend upon.

Okay thanks guys for setting me straight, really appreciated.

Ork battleforce is the only one that is worth buying. You want boyz, it has 20. You want bikes, it has 3. If you swing that way, you want the trukk. If not, hey kitbashing bitz ftw!

And its cheaper than the equiv units bought on their own, for some reason. Everything else isnt, but the ork one saves you like 10 bucks or so (USD atleast).

Also if you want to buy cheap orks, pm me and i'll give you the load down of what I have left.

Ghazkul Thraka. My vote for best HQ. Survives about everything and everything you need in a challenge that doesn't involve MSS. Hits like a brick ****house. Squishes things. Expensive points wise though

Gaz was good in 5th, when you could take advantage of many of his special rules, but in 6th, he's overpriced and underwhelming. Really all he gets you, that a normal mega-warboss doesn't, is a single turn with a 2++, and I can't see that being worth 100 extra points. You can get two mega bosses for one Ghaz.

Ghaz has specific uses in 6th, overall he isnt that awesome anymore. I use him as an MC eater, since really only wraithknights, riptides, or dreadknights are going to be too fast/far for him to charge most of the time, but dreadknights at least are usually trying to assault stuff anyway so i put him as a speedbump to my lootas in that case lol.

Generally i dont leave home without the bikerboss though.

It's hard to go entirely wrong with any Battleforce, they're pretty much always a good starting point unless you've got some objection to a given unit. You're never going to win a tournament with an army composed entirely out of units found in Battleforces (though you can get within a couple of units with one or two WHFB armies or the Tau) but starting off the army and for casual games the ability to get a basic selection at a discount is pretty nice.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:
Ghazkul Thraka. My vote for best HQ. Survives about everything and everything you need in a challenge that doesn't involve MSS. Hits like a brick ****house. Squishes things. Expensive points wise though

Ghaz is only really awesome for a single turn, after which he's basically just any other warboss.

I expect him to get buffed though.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Ork battleforce is the only one that is worth buying. You want boyz, it has 20. You want bikes, it has 3. If you swing that way, you want the trukk. If not, hey kitbashing bitz ftw!

And its cheaper than the equiv units bought on their own, for some reason. Everything else isnt, but the ork one saves you like 10 bucks or so (USD atleast).

Eeeem, that is incorrect, EVERY battleforce/strikeforce is cheaper then the individual parts (the bundles are not though(

Some of them absurdly so too.

your friend mainly plays tau? i hope he is not the kind of friend who allways brings the most OP stuff to WAAC. tau vs orks can be frustrating for orks.

anyway, i would go for the FW bikerboss. (look on ebay). as mentioned above, the toughness 6, the speed, and the dakka do their job well. the shooting of the bikes is actually really good (TL assault3 s5 ap 5 if i'm correct)
I use him in 3 different ways
1) say it's a regular warboss on bike, make nob bikerz. ultra killy troop choice, but expensive pointwise
2) choose it's wazdakka, warbikers are troops (not as expensive, but not as good as nob bikers)
3) play with the FW rules of the boss on bike (he loses 1T, but gains speed and PK attacks on own initiative) and run him with deffkoptas

the battleforce is indeed a good way to start. buy 2 kits of extra warbikers (also ebay ) equip 2 PK, 3 BS, paint one as painboy and your nob biker squad is ready. put some boyz in the trukk and you've got yourself a below 1000pts turbo charged rockit engineered assault force

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Ork battleforce is the only one that is worth buying. You want boyz, it has 20. You want bikes, it has 3. If you swing that way, you want the trukk. If not, hey kitbashing bitz ftw!

And its cheaper than the equiv units bought on their own, for some reason. Everything else isnt, but the ork one saves you like 10 bucks or so (USD atleast).

Actually you get 22 boyz with the battle force. 20 normal boyz and 2 heavy weapons. I know the box only says 20 but on the actual sprues are 22 so it really is the best deal if you want to get into orks in 40k

I still really like Ghazzy. TO get a warboss even close to him, you'd have to get Mega armor. Cybork, Attack Squig and a BP.

All that adds up to 135 if I remember correctly. And Ghazzy has his super WAAAGH! along with an extra wound and instant death proofyness.

If you want a Warboss in Mega Armor I highly suggest you visit Kromlech.eu and take a look at their ork juggernaut. I got one myself and it's awesome!

Warboss on a bike is the best HQ for damage at his price. give him a bike/cybork/attack squig and pk and he will go to town being t5 also with the extra mobility cover and shoots the bike provides. If you run him with nob bikers you can get a painboy to stack FNP ontop of all those saves.
Big mek with KFF is the best defencive HQ the orks have. provides the most utility.
Ghazy is ok but he cant ever get to his target. kommandos bring him in from behind is a fun tactic.

As for battleforce it really depends.
the ork battleforce is great for a speed freak army. 6trucks a bunch of biker nobs and all ur boys you will ever need. basically with the battlefroce you get a free trukk. witch is that's ur list. hey why not?
i myself had bought 6 of these in my day. saves me a good 150$ or so.

 Orkimedezz wrote:
Warboss on a bike is the best HQ for damage at his price. give him a bike/cybork/attack squig and pk and he will go to town being t5 also with the extra mobility cover and shoots the bike provides. If you run him with nob bikers you can get a painboy to stack FNP ontop of all those saves.
Big mek with KFF is the best defencive HQ the orks have. provides the most utility.
Ghazy is ok but he cant ever get to his target. kommandos bring him in from behind is a fun tactic.

As for battleforce it really depends.
the ork battleforce is great for a speed freak army. 6trucks a bunch of biker nobs and all ur boys you will ever need. basically with the battlefroce you get a free trukk. witch is that's ur list. hey why not?
i myself had bought 6 of these in my day. saves me a good 150$ or so.

6 battleforces... nice!! why i haven't thought of it

 wallygator wrote:

 Orkimedezz wrote:
Warboss on a bike is the best HQ for damage at his price. give him a bike/cybork/attack squig and pk and he will go to town being t5 also with the extra mobility cover and shoots the bike provides. If you run him with nob bikers you can get a painboy to stack FNP ontop of all those saves.
Big mek with KFF is the best defencive HQ the orks have. provides the most utility.
Ghazy is ok but he cant ever get to his target. kommandos bring him in from behind is a fun tactic.

As for battleforce it really depends.
the ork battleforce is great for a speed freak army. 6trucks a bunch of biker nobs and all ur boys you will ever need. basically with the battlefroce you get a free trukk. witch is that's ur list. hey why not?
i myself had bought 6 of these in my day. saves me a good 150$ or so.

6 battleforces... nice!! why i haven't thought of it

Best way to get speed freaks ever! And you get so many boys

Ghaz is awesome for the invul save. If you put him with meganobz in a vehicle your opponent will want to land an AP2 pieplate after that wagon or trukk goes down. He can tank that for you. Basically a tank for Snikrots Kommandos or some Meganobz in a vehicle. The mega armor warboss can't have save for AP2 for that turn. Something to think about. Large enough game to see AP2 pieplates might mean a large enough game to have Ghaz. It can also be argued that you could have almost 3 more meganobz for the cost compared to MAB.

If you buy two battleforces, you can also build your six bikes into nob bikers, using the nob torsos and gear from the boyz sprue.